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General Sakura x Syaoran Thread
moezychan:
--- Quote from: c3d on September 30 2005, 01:03 pm ---that's what i reckon, she is extremely important to him =]p~~
also i thought not calling a person name with out a affix is very bold ? *shrugs*
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I can be bold, but at the same time rude. Here's what the book says:
[blank]: Usually forgotten in these lists, but perhaps the most significant difference between Japanese and English. The lack of honorific means that the speaker has permission to address the person in a very intimate way. Usually, only family, spouses or very close friends have this kind of permission. Known as yobisute, it can be gratifying when someone who has earned the intimacy starts to call one by one's name without an honorific. But when that intimacy hasn't been earned, it can also be very insulting.
This is why I'm asking that question. I didn't see Sakura give Syaoran permission, and I'm curious as to why he regards her as Sakura. I guess I'll go with my theory, though I still have doubts.
Cherry tiger:
--- Quote from: moezy-chan on September 30 2005, 12:30 pm ---I have a question, and it concerns Syaoran more than Sakura. When I got Volume 1 of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, it gave the reasons of the different affixes for the names, such as -chan , -kun , -san and so forth. At the end they explained that to not have an affix means that the people are very close, but it also mentioned that if you aren't close, it can be very insulting if you don't regard a person with an affix.
Now this is my question, as all the people who watch Card Captor Sakura know, in episode 57 Sakura, Syaoran, and the Elevator, Syaoran calls Sakura by her first name. At the end of the episode, Sakura calls Li-kun by his first name, Syaoran-kun. She gives him an affix -kun, but he doesn't ever regard her by an affix. He only calls her Sakura.
Part of me wants to think that Sakura is very special to Syaoran, although we already know that, but is he being insulting, or is he saying that she is extremely important to him? I'm not trying to make Syaoran seem like a jerk, because he will forever be my favorite character. I've just always wondered it. I would appreciate any comments to this.
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If you've noticed, Syaoran has never called anyone with any suffixes. He calls Tomoyo "Daidoji", he calls Meiling by her name, and it's the same with Sakura. It could be because he's from Hong Kong where suffixes are not really important.
Whereas for Sakura, being brought up in Japan where suffixes are important, she shows respect to Syaoran by adding "-kun". She still calls Tomoyo with the "-chan" so that shows that she's just being respectful. Sakura's still young and probably has never heard about calling someone without the suffixes means you're close to that person. In Tsubasa, her brother told her but I don't think Touya or anyone in the series told her about it. Thus, she still use suffixes.
That's what I think...
c3d:
--- Quote from: moezy-chan on September 30 2005, 02:22 pm ---I can be bold, but at the same time rude. Here's what the book says:
[blank]: Usually forgotten in these lists, but perhaps the most significant difference between Japanese and English. The lack of honorific means that the speaker has permission to address the person in a very intimate way. Usually, only family, spouses or very close friends have this kind of permission. Known as yobisute, it can be gratifying when someone who has earned the intimacy starts to call one by one's name without an honorific. But when that intimacy hasn't been earned, it can also be very insulting.
This is why I'm asking that question. I didn't see Sakura give Syaoran permission, and I'm curious as to why he regards her as Sakura. I guess I'll go with my theory, though I still have doubts.
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I thought she gave him permission, when she called him up, near the end of the elevator epidosde. When she mentioned how he called her Sakura, and then she asked if she could call him Syaoran. She was happy when he called her as "Sakura"
Syaoran assumed that since Sakura can call him by his first name, he could call her "Sakura".
besides she doesnt seem to mind, even if she didnt give him permission.
moezychan:
--- Quote from: Cherry tiger on September 30 2005, 02:24 pm ---If you've noticed, Syaoran has never called anyone with any affixes. He calls Tomoyo "Daidoji", he calls Meiling by her name, and it's the same with Sakura. It could be because he's from Hong Kong where suffixes are not really important.
Whereas for Sakura, being brought up in Japan where suffixes are important, she shows respect to Syaoran by adding "-kun". She still calls Tomoyo with the "-chan" so that shows that she's just being respectful. Sakura's still young and probably has never heard about calling someone without the suffixes means you're close to that person. In Tsubasa, her brother told her but I don't think Touya or anyone in the series told her about it. Thus, she still use suffixes.
That's what I think...
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This is where I have my doubts though. I considered that because Syaoran was from Hong Kong he wasn't going to use suffixes, but how do you explain Meiling then? She calls Sakura Kinomoto-san, and Tomoyo Daidouji-san and she's also from Hong Kong. I just can't figure it out.
--- Quote from: c3d on September 30 2005, 02:28 pm ---I thought she gave him permission, when she called him up, near the end of the elevator epidosde. When she mentioned how he called her Sakura, and then she asked if she could call him Syaoran. She was happy when he called her as "Sakura"
Syaoran assumed that since Sakura can call him by his first name, he could call her "Sakura".
besides she doesnt seem to mind, even if she didnt give him permission.
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And you do have a point there Ced-san. That's a possibility.
c3d:
--- Quote from: moezy-chan on September 30 2005, 02:31 pm ---This is where I have my doubts though. I considered that because Syaoran was from Hong Kong he wasn't going to use suffixes, but how do you explain Meiling then? She calls Sakura Kinomoto-san, and Tomoyo Daidouji-san and she's also from Hong Kong. I just can't figure it out.
And you do have a point there Ced-san. That's a possibility.
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Glad to help. =]
Maybe because back then, how Syaoran was mean and only cared about himself, he called people with no affix because he didnt care, he thought they didnt earn his respect. After awhile when he did care for other people and respect them, he just got use to it.
With Meiling, probaly shes much more polite than Syaoran when she first came to Japan, she didnt have any reason to be rude.
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