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KuroxFai- The Official Canon Gloating Thread
Capella:
--- Quote from: Jeannette on August 13 2006, 11:17 am ---Gender DOES matter to CLAMP, except in the cases where they specifically say it doesn't matter. The only characters that don't have a fairly clear sex in CLAMP are the angels and demons from Wish and Ashura. These characters are specifically said to be asexual or genderless. Gender isn't irrelevant in real life, and isn't irrelevant in CLAMP's stories.CLAMP Gakuen Tanteidan, for example, is about little but gender dynamics and relationships.
And I do think it's fine to call Tomoyo a lesbian. Tomoyo may be ten in CCS, but she is much older in TRC and is still shown to be in love with Sakura, or at the very least strongly attracted to Sakura. Plus, I know my sexuality was certainly not fully developed at ten, but I definitely was showing signs of what my sexual orientation would be. As for comparing Tomoyo/Sakura to Touya/Kaho, I don't think it really counts. Kaho knew from the beginning that she would not ever be Touya's true 'number one person.' Tomoyo, however, will always consider Sakura her 'number one.' It's completely different, even if they are both unrequited loves.
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Well, I typed out a very long reply, then realized that it was all gruesomely off-topic. I guess the subject is sensitive for quite a number of us, so we start arguing when it comes up.
The CLAMP sexuality discussion aside, blood-sucking...nothing to say. Have fun, guys.
Tatasenko:
heterosexual,assexual,homosexual,bisexual,lesbian...please stop at once,this is getting more and more a diplomatic subject,and this kind of topic tends to finish in general punch-up :sad5:!
i think that for now we have seen enough blood in Tsubasa so no more slaughter :sweatdrop:
envyofthestage:
I didn't mean, Jeanette, that it doesn't matter to CLAMP whether their characters are male or female, but that it doesn't matter in issues of love. Gender isn't even a factor in CLAMP love. That's why I say sexuality doesn't matter. It's all about love. I don't believe any of the characters to be straight, gay whatever. It's just a love issue. So, just because Tomoyo was in love with Sakura doesn't mean she can't fall in love with a man (NOT KUROGANE!). (Canon couple/same soul argument aside.)
Yeah, Emiko, I can totaly see something like that happening, although I'd much rather prefer seeing "my most precious person" :P But I can definetly see the "I can't die because I have an important reason to live." Or something like that. XD
Sakaki:
But when you say gender isn't a factor, you are saying it doesn't matter if they are male or female, and that seriously doesn't make sense, in real life, or fiction.
Let's just take Kuro and Fai for example. How could their relationship be anything like it is now if they weren't both gay men? Even looking past their sexual identity which is obviously homosexual... you have two men, provoking and reacting to each other as two men would. Their struggles for power, their teasing of each other, and even violence towards each other wouldn't be the same if they weren't both the same sex. They wouldn't react to each other remotely the same if they weren't two men. And does anyone honestly think when they first looked at each other they didn't both notice and focus on just how male the other was? I can imagine their first thoughts now... XD
If you say gender doesn't matter, then I think you have to say sex itself doesn't matter, and at least in Fai and Kuro's case, I think they are highly sexual, highly gay... and very happy that way. *starting to forget what I was talking about* XD
I believe Clamp is trying to show that love is love, whether it's gay or straight. I don't believe for a minute they are trying to show characters who have no sexual identity. That is a huge part of what makes a person who they are. How you feel about members of the same or opposite sex is deeply ingrained in your personality, in ways we probably can't totally be aware of. It affects how you think and live, and react to other people. To deny that people have a sexual preference, in real life or art, makes absolutely no sense.
And I think this thread had been hopelessly off-topic for way too long now. *wondering if there is any actual 'canon' gloating left to do, or if I should lock*
duchessa:
--- Quote --- And I think this thread had been hopelessly off-topic for way too long now. *wondering if there is any actual 'canon' gloating left to do, or if I should lock*
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Eeep. please don't lock before the X-arc ends. There might be more materials to gloat for in near future. What do you consider acceptable to discuss in this thread?
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