X 1999

[The Creator]

hi, i wanna download x´s manga but i can´t find any page, the only one i´ve found is www.bwys.cjb.net  , but they only have volumes 1, and 14 to 18  from 2 to 13 i can´t find them anywhere , help someone help me T_T

i´ve also read about x´s return and apparently it´s true!! kobato tough, it´s still frozen, and xxxholic and tsubasa will be slowed down because of x´s return

[cute_me]

i have just started to see this anime and i want to say that i love it, one of the best CLAMP works.

[selenityshiroi]

Sei/Sub break my heart.  Everytime I read To-babi or X my heart hurts and my throat gets tight.

But, because of the fact that they make me feel things deeper than any other pairing in existance, they are my OTP.  Even if it's a sad, heartbreaking feeling it is still the strongest and most important.

That's one of the reasons I want to see Subaru and Seishirou together in Tsubasa (or even Holic since Subaru and Hokuto have been mentioned and I assume Holic isn't set in the X/TB world).  A happy ending for them is impossible in X so I hope for them to have at least a little happiness in Tsubasa.  It may ease my heart a little!

And Clamp are EVIL!  They have proved it in many ways *cough*ch120*cough* but no evidence is larger than the X Hiatus.  They couldn't have even left it on a worse page!

I liked the movie when I first saw it as I hadn't read the manga then, but I can't watch it anymore.  It just doesn't compare to the manga.  I managed to skim through the anime episodes (mostly the Seishirou and Subaru bits) and it seemed pretty good but, again, as I've read the manga it just doesn't compare for me.  And as they left out the important Subaru plot from volume 18 I wasn't that interested in the ending.

Post edited. Use spoiler tags in the future!!! Your only warning!!!

[Jeannette]

That's one of the reasons I want to see Subaru and Seishirou together in Tsubasa (or even Holic since Subaru and Hokuto have been mentioned and I assume Holic isn't set in the X/TB world).  A happy ending for them is impossible in X so I hope for them to have at least a little happiness in Tsubasa.  It may ease my heart a little!

Hmm... actually, I assume that Tokyo Babylon and X DO take place in the same universe as CCS and HOLiC. Simply to save my own sanity, and to obey Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation is usually the best. There is some evidence that almost ALL of CLAMP's manga series take place in the same universe, unless you want to get really funky and say that ALL of crossover characters from series to series are AU. Which would just confuse things even more. And I've always hated the X movie. It's horrendous.

[Rekall]

I read somewhere that at AX CLAMP said that all the non-fantasy ones take place in the same universe.

I can't remember which AX write up that was in though. >_<

Legal Drug and xxxHolic definitely take place in the same universe and it's implied that CCS does as well.  Also it's definite that Chobits and Angelic Layer are both in the same universe since they crossover and it's possible they are in with the others as well (nothing says they don't).

Tokyo Babylon/X I was never sure about since it means that the other stories would have to take place before 1999 or they spoil the ending for X (since the world hasn't been destroyed) and Kamui wins (as if that was going to be any doubt).

[selenityshiroi]

I read somewhere that at AX CLAMP said that all the non-fantasy ones take place in the same universe.

I can't remember which AX write up that was in though. >_<

Legal Drug and xxxHolic definitely take place in the same universe and it's implied that CCS does as well. Also it's definite that Chobits and Angelic Layer are both in the same universe since they crossover and it's possible they are in with the others as well (nothing says they don't).

Tokyo Babylon/X I was never sure about since it means that the other stories would have to take place before 1999 or they spoil the ending for X (since the world hasn't been destroyed) and Kamui wins (as if that was going to be any doubt).

It's the end of the world thing that does it for me!  Like you said, it means that Holic would have to take place before 1999 (in fact, 1991 since she mentions Hokuto).  Unless the end of the world passes with some sort of 'make everyone forget and make everything better' spell which would really ruin the series.  Otherwise I think someone would have mentioned all those earthquakes that happened a few years ago-and don't forget Tokyo flooding.  But then, I suppose it could be a few years after the end of the world and it has taken civilisation a while to get back to normal (hence no huge advances).  But that sort of thinking can give me a headache.

Does X class as a fantasy?  That might mean it's exempt.  It doesn't mean that they can't use characters and elements from the X/TB universe but I don't think the plots can align.

The things that definately appear in the same (Holic) universe are: Holic, Legal Drug, Suki Dakara Suki, CCS.  Possibly in the same world are CCD/Duklyon/20Faces (Watanuki has visited Duklyon cafe), X/TB (either before or after the end of the world), Angelic Layer (Piffle Princess has featured-the hair clips Watanuki gave the Zarashi-warashi(sp) were from Piffle Princess) and Chobits (in a future timeline).  I suppose Wish could slot into the same universe with little problems, Rayearth too (as most of the actual story takes place in another world).  That leaves Clover (which could be another future storyline), RG Veda (which is excempt as a fantasy series and is probably why they are used so much in Tsubasa), and the historical mangasands ones that I can't remember the names of (that Chun Hyan one, the Dragon King one etc).  Oh, Miyuki-chan in Wonderland is pretty inocculous as, again, most of the 'plot' (not that there is a plot!) takes place in other worlds.  That could slot into Tokyo too.

For the 'possible' ones the CCD universe is the same as the X/TB universe.  The Chobits universe is the future of the Angelic Layer universe.  The second can slot into the Holic world pretty easily but the first has some headaches surrounding it (but any of the elements can easily be used, it's just aligning the plots that breaks you).

This got so far off topic it's not worth mentioning!

[Jeannette]

Well, X/TB definitely take place in the same universe as the three CLAMP Gakuen series, since Nokoru, Suoh, and Akira all show up in X, and the X characters go to CLAMP Gakuen. (Which would then date CGT as before Tokyo Babylon, since Nokoru, Suoh, and Akira are somewhere about the same age as Subaru. @_@)) Also, Piffle Princess merchandise shows up in X. I read that bit about 'fantasy,' too, so I assume then that what they meant was any series not set in a modern, recognizable Tokyo, since so many of their series have a fantasy element. This to me means that RG Veda, Clover, Legend of Chunyan, and Shirahime-Sho would be the series that don't take place in the same universe as the others. And X does cause the most problems,with all of the earthquakes, death, and destruction that take place in it? That would certainly cause problems for the other characters in the other series. I guess we'll just have to assume X does take place in the same world, and wait for the end of X. But it would be lame for there to be some spell to make everyone forget what happened at the end of X. Though it's an interesting thought that perhaps part of the reason there are so many persocoms in Chobits is because so many people died in the X storyline.

[Capella]

It's all contradictory anyway, since the characters in Duklyon watched a movie of X,  at time which would have been before X had ever taken place. So perhaps it's best not to consider the crossovers too deeply.

[Rekall]

Well since X was in 1999 and if xxxHolic took place in modern day it would be around 5 years later so it's possible that they simply rebuild and have moved on.

Also I just re-read when Subaru and Hokuto get mentioned in Holic and Yuuko said she knew them when they were kids so it probably doesn't take place before TB.  She also says he hopes he can be happy but has to create his own happiness so it seems to me that Holic either takes place between TB and X or takes place after X.  I get the impression that it's the latter.

[augustserenade]

I just finished watching episode 16 of X, and...

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by the end of it I was crying. This was the episode where Subaru kills Seishirou. Throughout the later half of the episode, I was on the verge of tears, but when they showed the picture at the end of Sei-chan, Subaru, and Hokuto-chan, I gave in. It was just so sad. ;__;

I'm liking X TV so far. It's been too long since I've seen the movie, so I can't compare...

She also says he hopes he can be happy but has to create his own happiness so it seems to me that Holic either takes place between TB and X or takes place after X. I get the impression that it's the latter.

I also think it's the latter. But this whole thing is just so confusing. Hopefully it'll clear up when Clamp ends X. o_o

[bie liao]

This thread isn't ...very old.

So I guess I can reply to it?

I only really started reading X because I was getting confused in Tsubasa, and Kamui is yummy.  And now that I'm hooked, I have to say:

I have never cried over a manga more.

I just read Volume 9 (and ten is soon to follow) and

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God its depressing.  I knew what would happen to Fuuma because of spoilers and common sense, and I knew he would kill Kotori, but its one thing to hear about it and another to see it.  CLAMP went all out with the expressions for this volume.

Or this series.

I loved the Subaru/Kamui moment in the dream, though.  It was the only part where my tears turned happy.  Though Kakyou confuses the heck out of me, and wtf is up with Hinoto and her 'selfish wish' or whatever, I'm finally understanding a bit more.  Sort of. 

Sorry, I just HAD to vent somewhere, and my RPG is afraid of me now.  >>

[nefadol]

Just wait, it gets much more painful.  I love the series, greatly.  I had started reading it and got kinda bored with the first few volumes, and then I read Tokyo Babylon, which made me finish X (if you can call that finished).  If you've read TB, the later volumes will be even more painful.

Hopefully everybody can get a happy ending in TRC, but knowing Clamp I doubt it.

[selenityshiroi]

If volume 9 made you cry, wait till volume 16...

That makes me cry everytime.  (Although, I think sound knowledge of TB is needed to REALLY make your heart break.)

[Rekall]

Mmm...Vol 16 is definitely the best for angst value.  The scene where Fuuma and Subaru have their chat is also really heartbreaking.

Hopefully everybody can get a happy ending in TRC, but knowing Clamp I doubt it.

Well CLAMP seems to have moved on and made Fay their new favourite to angst up so things should turn out okay for Seishirou/Subaru and Fuuma/Kamui.

KuroFay on the other hand...

[bie liao]

I heard from someone

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that the main characters start dying off in Volume 16-18,

or something like that.

I mean, I suppose Kotori was a main character, but to me she wasn't as big as the Dragons or Kamui or Fuuma.  Blah, that makes me sound mean.

And CLAMP has enough sadism in them to pass around to everyone one of their characters.  They just centered it on X and TB (which I haven't read but get the general gist of?) and apparently TRC now.

EDIT: Spoilered it to be safe?

[nefadol]

I think angst follows TB/X...or maybe just Subaru from Tokyo Babylon to X and now to Tsubasa.  Tsubasa is up to it's ears in angst now...or should I say eyeballs?

I heard from someone

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that the main characters start dying off in Volume 16-18,

or something like that.

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Actually, they start the killing in volume 13 and then it keeps going (that one is the goriest next to Kotori).  Slightly major character death in volume 13, then major characters in 16, 18, and what would be 19 whenever published.

I'd say you need to read Tokyo Babylon to truly understand Subaru and Seishirou's personalities, especially Seishirou.  He's kinda like how he is in X, but much more lively?  The guy can put on a mask, that's for sure.



Sei-chan's inner dork just doesn't come across in X at all, which is a pity. XD

[bie liao]

From what I see about Seishirou, he's like...mean.  But maybe thats just cause I've only seen him from Kamui's POV, and he's like...destroying the world.

I'm gonna finish up the X Volumes I have, then read TB, then reread X, and maybe that way I'll have a better understanding of the relationships.  All I can is Fuuma was really what made me cry the most, because I can understand his relationships with Kamui and Kotori, at least.

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Did anyone else just keep thinking that whenever he was first getting possessed he looked like he wanted to rape Kamui? 0_o

And a death in 13?  Jeez, I gotta hurry up.  -runs-

[nefadol]

Mean, I guess you could say that.  He's really just indifferent, he doesn't get enjoyment out of killing.  I'll quote his own words from TB, he explains himself quite well.

"I have never felt anything in particular.  For the longest time now, I haven't been able to distinguish between 'people' and 'things'.  Corpses...wreckage...they are one and the same to me.  I suppose in that sense I'm well suited to be a Sakurazukamori."

Of course I cut out some of his dialoge as it's quite spoilerly, as you haven't read volume 16 yet and what I cut is revealed there.

Spoiler tag to be safe...

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Which makes me wonder, why did he attack Kamui?  Seishirou only kills for hits that somebody has put on someone (he's an assassin, it's his job), he doesn't just go around killing left and right.  In a volume of TB one of his hits asks him if they had offended him, and he said not at all.  They then asked who and he said "I wonder".  Who hired him to kill Kamui?

I have my suspicions, but that's a spoiler for later in the series, so I'll keep that to myself.

[xxxholic]

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Did anyone else just keep thinking that whenever he was first getting possessed he looked like he wanted to rape Kamui? 0_o

You're not alone!

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My favorite parts of the manga is when he turns evil and starts molesting Kamui. Fuuma is obviously sexually attracted to Kamui. But Kamui didn't like it because the Fuuma he likes is the normal one.

My favorite scene in X/1999 is RIGHT before Fuuma turns evil. The scene in the water where Kamui was embracing Kotori, while looking at Fuuma and touching his face and of course, with Fuuma looking back at him. They were all wet. I wonder what would have happened if Fuuma hadn't turned evil. Thta scene would have turned into some hot xxx scenes LOL

[Rekall]

Did anyone else just keep thinking that whenever he was first getting possessed he looked like he wanted to rape Kamui? 0_o

Hehe, Fuuma's favourite thing to do is molest Kamui.  And we love him for it.