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Chapter 125

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Airashii:
True! ^O^

Syaozen:

--- Quote ---I had to laugh at this. If you're reading some sort of spoilers on Youtube/forum or whatever, you could have tried and easily dodged it knowing it's some sort of spoiler. i have done that plenty of times. And considering you said that the person told the whole completely story of what happened the last few chapters, it's not his fault you sticked around and read everything. It's YOUR own fault. And i'm glad you deleted your message in which you yelled at him.
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My own fault? Sorry but I already read the chapters before reading this. This was not my fault =p. Oh, and don't double post either.


--- Quote ---Nothing more? Not as lovers? And where's your proof? I'm sorry but maybe you shouldn't have said it as if it's an official decision by CLAMP. No one knows in this point. But there are more information and convincing evidences that depict Kuro and Fai's relationship are going beyond friendship and their relationship is more than just that. All we have to do now is to wait for a confirmation. So saying misleading statements, again, is really ignorant.
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I may be wrong about this, but from my reading experiences I see no love between them. I see serious conversations between them sometimes, just to balance it out with their opposite personalities which is great, because they both point out each other's problems n such. Overall I can total it up to a bunch of teasing and sometimes fighting together. I don't see how you'd consider that "something more" but maybe that's just the way you like to think of love. As for the current chapter of the blood thing, I can only see it as Fai's only way to survive. They'll have a closer relationship indeed, but what? They're gonna be completely in love now that they realized that's the only way for one of them to survive? Kurogane seems to like reading those magazines with that girl on it from the Kudan world too. That can be thought as both ways though. What am I saying? KuroFai is definitely all fan-based material. Feel free to give examples of their "closer' relationship also. Don't use the ones I used though =p.

3.) In TRC is there a theme of black and white, or yin and yang, or opposites attract with Kurogane and Fai? Is there a possibility of this pairing becoming official? (fans cheer)

O: [laughs] Does the cheering mean there's a desire for this pairing? [laughs] Well, we made Syaoran the main character and he's still developing and maturing, so we wanted him to have adult companions. Kurogane is the one who is seen as 'black' and Fai as 'white.' Kurogane lives up to his name and likes to wear mostly black, and he is more straightforward, while Fai is more mysterious and represents white. And right now in the more recent Japanese chapter, Fai is in a tough spot....

All I can see is that they cleared up the yin-yang pairing thing as NOT something they thought of. But as some people said, they don't like to spoil things. So who knows? But from this I can say that they're perhaps hiding something. Great type up btw hoshisenshi.


--- Quote ---However, this has actually been argued earlier, and all in all it's a lost case. Mainly because neither the people who say it was in the fans heads nor those who say CLAMP affirmed KuroxFai at the panel have physical proof, since no one was allowed any recording devices. It all depended on memory, which can be affected by numerous things like bias towards KF or a bias against shounen-ai.
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Yes, the earlier posts already cleared this up. I see no reason why you should bring it up again. It's hard arguing with a bunch of girls that are crazy about this >_>.
 

Jeannette:

--- Quote from: Syaozen on August 22 2006, 09:16 am ---My own fault? Sorry but I already read the chapters before reading this. This was not my fault =p. Oh, and don't double post either.

I may be wrong about this, but from my reading experiences I see no love between them. I see serious conversations between them sometimes, just to balance it out with their opposite personalities which is great, because they both point out each other's problems n such. Overall I can total it up to a bunch of teasing and sometimes fighting together. I don't see how you'd consider that "something more" but maybe that's just the way you like to think of love. As for the current chapter of the blood thing, I can only see it as Fai's only way to survive. They'll have a closer relationship indeed, but what? They're gonna be completely in love now that they realized that's the only way for one of them to survive? Kurogane seems to like reading those magazines with that girl on it from the Kudan world too. That can be thought as both ways though. What am I saying? KuroFai is definitely all fan-based material. Feel free to give examples of their "closer' relationship too. Don't use the ones I used though =p.

3.) In TRC is there a theme of black and white, or yin and yang, or opposites attract with Kurogane and Fai? Is there a possibility of this pairing becoming official? (fans cheer)

O: [laughs] Does the cheering mean there's a desire for this pairing? [laughs] Well, we made Syaoran the main character and he's still developing and maturing, so we wanted him to have adult companions. Kurogane is the one who is seen as 'black' and Fai as 'white.' Kurogane lives up to his name and likes to wear mostly black, and he is more straightforward, while Fai is more mysterious and represents white. And right now in the more recent Japanese chapter, Fai is in a tough spot....

All I can see is that they cleared up the yin-yang pairing thing as NOT something they thought of. But as some people said, they don't like to spoil things. So who knows? But from this I can say that they're perhaps hiding something. Great type up btw hoshisenshi.

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Excuse me, but just think for a second- if Fai were a woman, would you have ANY doubts that Kurogane and Fai were attracted to each other and meant to be a romantic couple?

And nobody has said that they were 'now completely in love' -because- Kurogane decided to save Fai's life like he did. Kurogane decided to save Fai's life -because- he loved him.

I think it's fairly obvious that your real problem with this is that you have a bias against homosexuality. That, however, is YOUR issue and no one else's, and no amount of logical explanation or evidence will change anything in your mind until you decide to let it. On a personal note, a 'bad experience' is no excuse for your bias against all homosexuals and homosexuality. As a lesbian and a woman, I've had plenty of bad heterosexual experiences, such as men hitting on me in ways that I certainly don't appreciate. And many women and men have had far worse heterosexual experiences than I can claim. Therefore, my advice is to get over your issue.

Syaozen:
Kurogane saved his life because he loved him? Well I certainly didn't see that. Anyone would want to save a travelling companion who's been through a lot with them. I think of it as saving Fai to not let his efforts go to waste by trying to stop the clone Syaoran. Any other things aside from that, well I can say bonds but not love. Kurogane knew Fai is better than that. He didn't want him dying in such a weak way. Matter of his pride? Yeah that's exactly what I believe.

And so what if Fai was a woman? What if Kurogane was a woman too? What if they were all women? Get my point? "Ifs" are kinda out of the blue here.

No I'm not against this because I'm "anti-gay" or whatever you claimed me to be. I'm not basing it on a past experience either. I'm saying this because this is what I think of it. Any problems with an opinion?

Emiko:

--- Quote from: Syaozen on August 22 2006, 09:16 am ---I may be wrong about this, but from my reading experiences I see no love between them. I see serious conversations between them sometimes, just to balance it out with their opposite personalities which is great, because they both point out each other's problems n such. Overall I can total it up to a bunch of teasing and sometimes fighting together. I don't see how you'd consider that "something more" but maybe that's just the way you like to think of love. As for the current chapter of the blood thing, I can only see it as Fai's only way to survive. They'll have a closer relationship indeed, but what? They're gonna be completely in love now that they realized that's the only way for one of them to survive? That can be thought as both ways though. What am I saying? KuroFai is definitely all fan-based material. Feel free to give examples of their "closer' relationship too. Don't use the ones I used though =p.

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You don't see KuroxFai. That's cool, but don't go around saying that they 'definitely' aren't couple material. THAT isn't cool. The only people who can really say that is Clamp. Even if you don't see it, or believe it it will be canon, lots of other people do, so you're only going to offend people by saying such a thing.

And as to the blood thing, a lot of people are looking at the meaning BEHIND the action, not the action itself. It's all well and good to argue that it was the only thing that could be done to save Fai, but the fact of the matter is Fai didn't want to be saved. He wanted the group to let him die. Kuro was so adamant about not letting this happen that it was almost selfish of him in a way to force Fai to live when he didn't want to. The fact that Kuro was so desperate to save him, even when he didn't want to be saved, shows that they do, in fact, have a deep connection. Kurogane is willing to tie his life to Fai's, unhesitatingly asks Yuuko, whom he'd shown a great aversion to in the past, to save him. In so many words, it's implied that he'll do ANYTHING to save him. Even for a friend, that's a pretty intense thing. To tie your life to someone elses' forever? To literally hold their life in your hands and be responsible for them your entire life? I think that's a hugely significant thing.

And Kuro and Fai are changing primarily because of each other. Admittedly Syaoran and Sakura have contributed to this change as well, but the most significant relationship for both of them among the group is the one they have with each other. Kurogane is the one who is trying to learn more about Fai, and in that way has involved himself with him. Fai, additionally, has begun to open up as a result of this prying (chapter 112) . I think that they are slowly changing because of the other's influance.

Anyway. You don't see KuroFai, that's fine, but I do see them as more than friends. If they don't end up with each other, I can't see them ending up with anyone else. Can you imagine what that would be like now that they're blood-bonded? How can you mentally give yourself to someone else in such a state? And you have to wonder why Clamp would put them in such a situation if they intended to give them other love interests. Even if you don't want to look at them as a romantic couple, they connect on such an intense level that I can't really call it 'just friendship'.


--- Quote ---All I can see is that they cleared up the yin-yang pairing thing as NOT something they thought of. But as some people said, they don't like to spoil things. So who knows? But from this I can say that they're perhaps hiding something. Great type up btw hoshisenshi.

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Eh, didn't they say that Kuro and Fai WERE intended to be 'black' and 'white'? I don't think that the fact that the question "so there's a fan desire for this pairing?" was asked in any way means that Clamp has never thought of it. You can take this question in many ways, and it could be that Clmap was just testing the water, seeing how the American fans felt. Even if they don't  plan on making it canon, I don't believe they're completely oblivious to the pairing. It's Clamp, after all, and they're the ones who made Kuro and Fai mommy and daddy. XD


--- Quote ---Kurogane seems to like reading those magazines with that girl on it from the Kudan world too.
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In that one omake, wasn't the inside of Kurogane's manga shown? With the comic inside clearly being a shounen comic and featuring a male, ninja-like character?


--- Quote --- It's hard arguing with a bunch of girls that are crazy about this >_>.
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I don't see anyone going "OMG STFU KF ISH LUV!!!11!" on your ***. I think everyone who responded is being perfectly logical in defending a pairing that they support. If you don't want to argue, don't post rude comments. There are ways to politely express an opinion, and you're not coming across like that.

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