Production I.G. for TRC season 3?

[dark_persian]

For me, the anime has reached such an unbearable level of canon-rape that if I had to choose between BeeTrain continuing to animated TRC and TRC never being animated by anyone ever again, I would choose to have TRC never animated again.

I'd rather the anime didn't exist at all then have to watch Tsubasa continually torn to shreds... Well, perhaps that was a bad metaphor... more like, watch Tsubasa be plastered in sparkly pink paint and covered with glitter and rainbows and sunny-sunshine and flying pink foxes.

[Kazemon15]

For me, the anime has reached such an unbearable level of canon-rape that if I had to choose between BeeTrain continuing to animated TRC and TRC never being animated by anyone ever again, I would choose to have TRC never animated again.

What do you mean, canon-rape? I, for one, wont believe anything is canon until officially stated by CLAMP......

[Emiko]

Clamp rarely comes out and explicitly says that something is canon, though. That's just the way Clamp is.

But I have to agree with dark_persian, I'd rather there not be an anime at all than to have one so poorly done. There's just no life to it. And the animation isn't very fluid at all.

[kixie]

The animation is poorly done as well compared to the other shows which are running at the same time.

When we talk about canon-rape, it's not just pairings we're talking about it's facts and events that actually happen in the manga. Perfect example is episode 26 of series 1.

[touchdown turnarou]

When we talk about canon-rape, it's not just pairings we're talking about it's facts and events that actually happen in the manga. Perfect example is episode 26 of series 1.

Exactly. Or making any of the characters act completely out of character. Take for insance the fact that both Kurogane and Fay got defeated so easily by the mediocre Chaos guy, only to glorify Syaoran's strength, it seems. Or that filler episode in Lecourt with Fay telling Kurogane to show Syaoran his memories again. (What in the world?) Overall, poor Kurogane's character has been the one that got his character butchered more significantly than the other three, but Syaoran and Fay follow quite closely. With that episode of the date with the pool cover Chii and the entire Chaos arc.

[kixie]

I agree entirely and it's not just fillers, I actually refuse to comment on them because they are all rape.

Lecourt is the perfect arc to show continuous rape, and I'm not talk about after Fai's poor interpretation of using his magic because I think that was as far as the manga went when they were creating series two.

And it's little things that annoy me too like the bath scene in Kuro's memories or them reacting differently to an event then how they did in the manga.

Canon-rape is ripe in this series and something needs to be done with Beetrain, it's just not acceptable.

[Kazemon15]

Ah I see...well, I think Beetrain knows how many fans their losing......maybe they're running to CLAMP now and begging for forgiveness...saying "PLEASE HELP US! BEFORE WE LOSE MORE FANS!" 

[Tsuki-kun]

I just hope that BT will GREATLY improve the quality of season 3.

[dark_persian]

Ah I see...well, I think Beetrain knows how many fans their losing......maybe they're running to CLAMP now and begging for forgiveness...saying "PLEASE HELP US! BEFORE WE LOSE MORE FANS!"

We can only hope... Personally, I'd love to see CLAMP sue the pants off of BeeTrain and then have the contract terminated completely.

Even if BeeTrain DO infact admit "Yes, we have been ruining Tsubasa and yes, it's showing in the show's ratings. CLAMP please help us, we know now that we obviously can't do it on our own." there will still be heavy restrictions on the TRC's content.

True, BeeTrain are responsible for completely mutilating the plot and characters in Tsubasa and stuffing the series full of awful, fanfic-esk fillers, but it's NHK (the broadcasting company that BeeTrain is apparently affiliated with) that demands that scenes with gambling, alcohol use, bloody violence and language are cut.

Techincally, NHK is an educational channel for children. I think Card Captor Sakura was aired on that channel too.
So, either way, I don't think there is ANY hope for the Tokyo arc to be done justice, with or without CLAMP's help.
The only way the anime is ever going to get better is if BeeTrain and NHK are kicked out of the picture and TRC is taken by a new animation company and aired on a different channel.

[Sandra-chan]

Even though we don't like Beetrain, it seems like Tsubasa is still quite popular in japan, according to Japan's 100 favorite animated TV series list Tsubasa is on place 53. If you haven't seen the list you can look here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=9652

[kixie]

... it did better than Ouran Host Club? *headdesk* I think that might be based off the first series...

[dark_persian]

Even though we don't like Beetrain, it seems like Tsubasa is still quite popular in japan, according to Japan's 100 favorite animated TV series list Tsubasa is on place 53. If you haven't seen the list you can look here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=9652

;; I'm hoping that was for the first series... Because if it's not that just make it even sadder.
I was reasonably alright with TRC through the first series. Aside from a few annoying things like Sakura randomly flying around and Kurogane making that stupidly OoC "Hyuu~!"ing sound at Sakura's dress in Outo, it was just okay. I certainly wasn't anywhere near as angry with it as I am now.

The TRC anime has only been seriously going downhill since that Pokemon-esk sailor/boating filler episode. Since then it's been getting worse and worse and worse until it's reached the point where it simply ISN'T Tsubasa anymore.
It's a glorifed animated fanfiction written by nerdy fanboy otaku.

[Arcademan]

Either it's doing that good or Japanese viewers are pretty bored with whatever else is on TV so they're forced to watch Tsubasa

[suu_no_clover]

Either it's doing that good or Japanese viewers are pretty bored with whatever else is on TV so they're forced to watch Tsubasa

I'm going to go with that reason. XP

Though I have seen some japanese fanart based off the FaiChii ep, and other S2 fillers. Not much, but.. :/

[Kazemon15]

Heh I happened to like the cuteness of ep 32...oh...btw, Su_no_Clover, your PM box is full.

[suu_no_clover]

Many of us didn't, as the episode was a filler one, not in the manga.

[ There's room, now. ^^ ]

[touchdown turnarou]

I'm going to go with that reason. XP

Though I have seen some japanese fanart based off the FaiChii ep, and other S2 fillers. Not much, but.. :/

A friend of mine actually posted some Japanese fanart making fun of the entire Chaos arc. Seems that even some of the Japanese fans thought it was a tad ridiculous.

[Kazemon15]

Hmm...the only one I think that was rather ridiculus is the dreaded bus ep.....but other than that.....I find most of the fillers did have a good range of character development....if there's one thing I like, it's character development and there's just not enough of it in the manga...I mean...Sakura went from a helpless thing who's afriad to even harm a bug to some monster killing...well...I dunno....hunter? O_O ..no transition whatsoever....though, Im glad Sakura finally got to do something, but a bit too fast, too soon....while in the anime....it shows her growing slowly....changing from cant do....to maybe....to more belief in herself and so on....

[Sailor Yue-chan]

some fillers were pure fanservies:
Fai chi
syaoran and a chibi form of his father 9atleast they had the decency to include an omake within that: Fai hates "shi-su" XD
OEKAKI MOKONA <3 <3 <3
kerochan and MOkana

those should have been the only fillers really, also include "Sad miricle becuase im amlost certain that CLAMP ordered that specific episode becasue episode 26 last year broke the rules

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i rmember eading somewhere that both TEOI and Naoko Takehashi were etremely upset about how DiC handled Sailor Moon, which is why sailor moon will most likly never be liscened again. i wouldnt be surprised if CLAMP are that upset at BT and NHK for what their beutiful story has become

it's character development and there's just not enough of it in the manga...I mean...Sakura went from a helpless thing who's afriad to even harm a bug to some monster killing...well...I dunno....hunter? O_O ..no transition whatsoever....though, Im glad Sakura finally got to do something, but a bit too fast, too soon....while in the anime....it shows her growing slowly....changing from cant do....to maybe....to more belief in herself and so on....

well, what happened to sakura in the manga...that was a very traumatic experience. it may have been a very quick change, but she wanted to DO someotihng. she is still the sweet caring girl we know, only she's learned the sting of heartbreak. the anime, tho they DID give us an ep where she did soemthing, i nthe past 5 episode she was little more then a bump on a log!

[dark_persian]

BeeTrain taking the character's development into their own hands is the thing that makes the characters horrifically OoC and the anime into one big animated fanfic.

An animation company simply should not be taking CLAMP's characters and trying to develop them how they feel is right when the characters don't belong to them. BeeTrain, like the rest of us, don't have the full picture of what the characters in Tsubasa are all about, which is the reason their filler episodes make so many glaring mistakes.
It's CLAMP that created these characters, CLAMP that know these characters inside out, know their reasons for acting certain ways - what drives and motivates them, and only CLAMP that have the right to change the way they think, feel and act.

Since that boat episode BeeTrain has pretty much been saying, "CLAMP, we can write Tsubasa better than you can."
So is it any wonder that CLAMP is very unhappy with the way the anime is being handled? I know I ceratinly would be if Tsubasa was my creation!