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The Official Syaoran x Sakura Thread v.02
Mari:
We need to stop spamming this board
I blame you!
*chews on your leg*
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 19 2007, 09:42 am ---Lol! So harsh! Poor R!Syao! I love him anyways xD
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Eep >.< I didn’t mean for it to sound that way!!! *give R!Syaoran C!Syaoran to make up for it* xD
I don’t know…it just doesn’t seem to me that R!Syaoran’s character is going anywhere. There’s really nothing that makes him stand out. And maybe that’s because he’s all secretive, or maybe it’s because he’s not fan fiction-able x3 but whatever it is there’s just something missing in his character…right now. And there’s only 7 more volumes to go, meaning he has a possible 17, and in 5 he has shown nothing but a questionable relationship with Sakura and similar sword wielding abilities to CCS!Syaoran *saddened*
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 19 2007, 09:42 am ---...Besides, he has R!Syaoran's heart in him so technically it's actually R!Syaoran in CLAMP's wonderland (bwahaha! xD)
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*shakes head* I still don’t know how you can say the two are the same…
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 19 2007, 09:42 am ---If by "Syaoran-kun's will" you mean
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But he has a "Syaoran"’s soul. And since Syaoran’s soul goes with Sakura’s soul then he could have known.
I never understood that in CCS. Because they were saying they thought she should have considered Yukito/Yue most precious, but at the same time Clow Reed knew about himself in other worlds, and other people in other worlds, so he would have known that Syaoran and Sakura go together :/ Something smells funny about that...
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 19 2007, 09:42 am ---But when she said that and we saw the fragments of the future that she saw, it showed Syaoran and Kurogane looking shocked and a bit of her bellybutton with blood around her. So it must have been herself she saw getting stabbed.
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Unless that was what her sight was changed to since she had already made the choice to change the future.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 19 2007, 09:42 am ---They were reincarnations. Which is slightly different I think. R!Syaoran did not die to give away his half heart.
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Don’t really think we can say that just yet. It’s CLAMP.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 19 2007, 09:42 am ---Oh, and the Horitsuba comic! - I think there are translations out but I haven't read them yet but looking at the pictures I'm sure Syaoran's twin (R!Syaoran?) is the non-blushing, more serious (but smiling) one <3 <3
Seeing them together, he looks much more mature for some reason.. the eyes I think.
EDIT: Read it =D Lmao at the bath part!!
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Yea. That’s the “twin” smiling and shipping My!SyaoranxSakura *cackles*
[Question] If R!SxS doesn’t turn out canon, would you still support it…?
redeternity:
We're not spamming, we're having a well thought out discussion/debate *nods*
--- Quote from: Mari on August 21 2007, 11:48 am ---there’s only 7 more volumes to go, meaning he has a possible 17
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How did you get 17 from adding up 5 and 7?? xDD
--- Quote from: Mari on August 21 2007, 11:48 am ---in 5 he has shown nothing but a questionable relationship with Sakura and similar sword wielding abilities to CCS!Syaoran *saddened*
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I'm upset too, that CLAMP has made him a side character ever since.. well ever since Clone left Acid Tokyo really.. He's only been the main focus of attention for a couple of chapters (the fight with C!Syaoran and when he fought Hikaru in Infinity) *sobs*.
But despite the fact that he's hardly said anything and has been constantly shoved to the side I still love him more than I ever loved the Clone for the whole 15 vols that he was in. I have a soft spot for R!Syaoran.. I get that nice feeling whenever I see him in a chapter.. And I really want to give him a big hug and cheer him up xD
...I also secretly wish R!Syaoran had been in the manga with the rest of the group since the beginning.... during the good happy times and all (even though that really wouldn't work for the plot lol). Sucks.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 21 2007, 11:48 am ---Clow Reed knew about himself in other worlds, and other people in other worlds, so he would have known that Syaoran and Sakura go together :/ Something smells funny about that...
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Oooh, thats a really good point! I was thinking at first, "no because it was Eriol that said it, not Clow Reed" then I remembered that he had Clow Reed's memories..! Lolz
Sooo, what do you think - CLAMP made a mistake *le gasp* or it's something that'll prove to be very important to the plot later?
--- Quote from: Mari on August 21 2007, 11:48 am ---*shakes head* I still don’t know how you can say the two are the same…
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Eh? Well they are the same in the sense that "Our!Syaoran" -IS- (half of) R!Syaoran but they're not the same personality wise. If they were I'd have no problem supporting ClonexSakura.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 21 2007, 11:48 am ---[Question] If R!SxS doesn’t turn out canon, would you still support it…?
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Yes Probably.
Nowait. It depends..
Depends how CLAMP defend the pairing of ClonexSakura if they end up together. If C!Syaoran does somehow magically regain the half heart *cough*notlikely*cough* I would like to know how it makes sense for Sakura to love the Clone like this when he is not the full "Syaoran" - since there's the thing about soul mates so how can she love him when he only has half the soul?
I don't see him regaining the heart anyway. So the only other option is growing a heart, right? (unless there is another option we are told about later..) But if he does, like cryingforthemoon said before.. surely he won't be the same due to all the people he's murdered and all the destruction he caused. How would he live with it?
There's also the question of if he grew a heart would he have the same personality as "Our!Syaoran" or "R!Syaoran" or would he be like a completely new person? *is repeating herself from earlier -_-* I'd be interested to know your opinion on all of this.
If R!SyaoranxSakura turns out not to be canon, I wonder if CLAMP will go down the track of having him have his own Sakura.. If so I will be very annoyed. It just seems like a good way of getting rid of him if you ask me. It's not like I mind him having his own Sakura somewhere because it's still SakuSyao but if he did I'd have wanted to see their relationship development rather than the Clone's and Sakura's.
I supported S&S in CCS mainly because of Syaoran (Sakura too but he was my favourite character), so I support R!SyaoranxSakura in TRC because R!Syaoran acts more like CCS!Syaoran (not exactly but closer than the clone ever was).
Besides, I think they make a good team.. working together rather than with Cloney when it was all about him protecting her – hero/damsel in distress.
makeiryu:
Woah...
I must say, this thread is quite interesting! ;)
My opinion about this whole R!Syaoran and Clone Syaoran is not quite clear...
You see, it makes a bit of sense that Clone Syaoran and Sakura are destined to be together, no matter what. If not, then how would Yukito's predictions be wrong? Maybe he was referring to R! Syaoran? Either way, it seems that Sakura is decided to care for Clone Syaoran rather than real Syaoran...
Now, a good solution would be:
Clone Syaoran and R! Syaoran somehow turn into one, and then end up with Sakura in a hope lovey dovery ending!! =D
Although... somehow it sounds quite stupid when I typed it down... hehe
What do you? Is there a chance that R! Syaoran and Clone Syaoran fuse together or something of the sort?
redeternity:
--- Quote from: makeiryu on August 24 2007, 03:55 pm ---If not, then how would Yukito's predictions be wrong? Maybe he was referring to R! Syaoran?
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Could be.. not really sure what to think of this bit yet.. When he said about being "the one to save Sakura" perhaps he just meant the one destined to find her feathers.. Anyway, this just made me think, if Yukito can predict the future then wouldn't he have known Syaoran was a clone? Surely he would have said something about it, even if not to Sakura, then Touya?
--- Quote from: makeiryu on August 24 2007, 03:55 pm ---it seems that Sakura is decided to care for Clone Syaoran rather than real Syaoran...
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Disagree xD
She did risk her own life to save him, remember :D
Haha, it's impossible to tell right now who she cares for the most, IMO. I'm personally hoping she's realised by now that the person she fell in love with all along is (..well, was) right infront of her *remembers the scene when she saw "Our!Syaoran" in R!Syaoran*
--- Quote from: makeiryu on August 24 2007, 03:55 pm ---Is there a chance that R! Syaoran and Clone Syaoran fuse together or something of the sort?
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Dunno if you were referring to me or Mari but I'll answer you anyways heh. Hmmm, now what was it I said earlier.. *goes to find it*
Right, found it! I don't blame you if you never saw this because our conversation is rather long xDD
--- Quote ---If C!Syaoran and R!Syaoran merged all that would be merging would be the bodies since Cloney has no heart to merge with R!Syaoran's. However, if he has grown his own heart then it could be one of two things:.
1. If the heart is the same as R!Syaoran's (same soul/personality) then merging would again produce the same person.
2. If it is different to R!Syaoran's (different soul/personality) it would produce a different person who was not "Syaoran" (and we don't want that!)
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also this (about how the merging has happened already):
--- Quote ---Actually I would say the merging took place way back when R!Syaoran first gave his half heart away to the clone. In a sense, "Our Syaoran" is the result of R!Syaoran's half heart and Cloney's body merging.
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Mari:
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---We're not spamming, we're having a well thought out discussion/debate *nods*
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*hides behind you for cover from mods*
xD My shield~<3
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---How did you get 17 from adding up 5 and 7?? xDD
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*dies of embarrassment*
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---...I also secretly wish R!Syaoran had been in the manga with the rest of the group since the beginning.... during the good happy times and all (even though that really wouldn't work for the plot lol). Sucks.
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Ah, boo. I don’t. He’d make a more crazed psychotic feather nabber for one and two--my syaoran!cest dreams would all be destroyed D:
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---Sooo, what do you think - CLAMP made a mistake *le gasp* or it's something that'll prove to be very important to the plot later?
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I blame it to seriously bad translation malfunction or just authors being authors *shrugs* Sometimes you go one way but it really suck so let’s go this way instead xDD
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---Eh? Well they are the same in the sense that "Our!Syaoran" -IS- (half of) R!Syaoran but they're not the same personality wise. If they were I'd have no problem supporting ClonexSakura.
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See that’s because you’re making out the heart to be R!Syaoran, where I see it was a placeholder to an existence not the actual means there of. I mean, C!Syao right now in all his pycho clone glory is his own person with his own sadistic persona but he has no heart. Chii was her own even though she was a program. CLAMP has proved already that being split doesn’t = auto same person. And with the case of Eriol and Fujitaka, you would think it’s more likely that they would be the same because it was the soul that’s reincarnated. So. CLAMP. Yea.
On another note by you saying they’re not of similar personality proves they’re not one in the same Syaoran. Their inner-soul, how they fight and sacrifice themselves for Sakura’s happiness is still the same (because they’re both Syaorans) but with different reflections of being. Syaoran-kun always seemed softer to me in his way because Fujitaka-san was his father. He’s very Fujitaka-san like. Where CCS!Syaoran was more harsh because of however his life was spent…I always assumed it was because his father left and so he was left as man or something but…that’s OT >.>
Maybe I’m thinking too psychologically? Being it’s like the only reason they’re different is because of their environment they were raised in.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---Yes Probably.
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Honestly? I don’t see any “logic” coming from the end of this pairing. No, I don’t think his personality will be different. And no, I don’t see him growing a new heart. My slightly psychotic belief is that his being is still out there or else Sakura wouldn’t be fighting so damn hard for such a hopeless cause and CLAMP wouldn't be wasting their time writing about it. Not once has any character, even R!Syaoran, related to Syaoran-kun in the light of being a dead and hopeless cause. It’s been said the half of the heart won’t go back but there’s no finality and, more annoying, not speaking of whole truths. And for people who all love her, I’d hope they’d knock some sense into her.
CLAMP is playing it out that Syaoran-kun still lives. Whether that be he’s having mind!cest right now, or if he’s (highly unlikely) R!Syaoran…the boy, his importance, is not dead and has no air of being so.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---*remembers the scene when she saw "Our!Syaoran" in R!Syaoran*
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And what eye is that? The right eye. Syaoran-kun’s original eye.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---If R!SyaoranxSakura turns out not to be canon, I wonder if CLAMP will go down the track of having him have his own Sakura..
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I don’t see another Sakura anywhere *looks* If there is then I assume there was and it had something to do with that whole “second time” thing. In which case we start smelling more sudden “memory wipes” *cough cough*
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 23 2007, 02:53 am ---Besides, I think they make a good team.. working together rather than with Cloney when it was all about him protecting her – hero/damsel in distress.
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Oh no. Why did you say that?! I love you so much Red-chan and now you’re putting yourself up there with the ignorant! *cries and clings to you*
[greatly] Short[ened] rant ahead.
I don’t understand why everyone says he overprotective and hero blah, blah, blah. We’ve seen through the memories that Sakura had been by his side, teaching him how to have a life, smile, and learning how to share a special happiness with someone. It’s like she’s been protecting him his whole life and now he’s trying to do the same. Since she’s lost her memories they’ve done the whole role reversal thing and he wants to show her the same kindness that Sakura showed him all those years…and you can see he’s struggling because he’s not Sakura and he can‘t just smile for the sake of making someone happy like she can. Just in the way she was struggling with his old role of group leader.
Also he still has that “commoner mentality” where it’s him fighting against the I’ll never be good enoughs. By putting himself in the place of her protector, it’s like he’s distancing himself from her. That “I can’t protect you without holding a sword. I can’t embrace you while holding a sword” thing comes to mind. He usually smiles to make her happy not because he feels happy. He goes to such lengths that at times it’s like he doesn’t care about himself. He’s willing to put everything he has on the line for her ( Even beyond her like in Outo when he thought Ses killed Fay)
And seriously. The two all but idolize each other.
And what’s with all this damsel crap?
Besides the fact that people are slightly pychotic for not only thinking she was up and ready to fight when she was sleeping but also having her precious person ripped from her heart....
I don’t know if it’s just my warped mind but to me it’s like Sakura knows that Syaoran is trying exclusively for her and so she doesn’t step in because it would hurt him more than it would to fight. Just in the same sense Sakura would have never jumped out in front of Syaoran-kun (or had to, because he wouldn’t go all emo on her -__-) like she did for R!Syaoran because to have to watch her put herself in such danger would have been an even great pain then to be struck by the rocks for Syaoran-kun.
And it’s sort of that way too because back in the tornado she told him about the wind instead of doing it. She’s helping him help her because that’s what he wants to do, that’s what would make Syaoran-kun happy and Sakura knows.
And I just want to sock all the people who are all “he’s so over protective!!”
WTF.
Piffle (when she took that flight for Tomoyo?! Syaoran-kun‘s blush and determined smile for her?!”). Country of Idols. He was happily smiling in the fact that she was able to and wanted to get in there and do things. He was scared for her but he trusted in Sakura just like she trusted him. And I think that’s why I love the couple so much.
Well, I actually have a great number of reasons why but they’re all fluffy and slightly along the lines of rotting your teeth out with candy sweetness so *spares everyone* ^^;;
[Curiosity] What instances make you love R!SyaoranxSakura? Or is just R!Syaoran you prefer over Syaoran-kun that makes you support them….?
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