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The Official Syaoran x Sakura Thread v.02
redeternity:
--- Quote from: Mari on August 03 2007, 05:12 am ---If Syaoran-kun was supposed to be the good side then why did he need to be “melted”? >.>
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Eh, I dunno :/ I think he was "a bit off" (as Touya put it) at the start because he had no memories prior to being found by Fujitaka.. maybe..
--- Quote from: Mari on August 03 2007, 05:12 am ---Actually. Being perfect=auto fail in this fandom. Which is why people don’t like Syaoran-kun or Sakura (that and the fact she’s a girl…). It kills me when people knock on him and Sakura for being perfect.
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..I don't like the TRC fandom very much. People are a little overly harsh on Syaoran and Sakura due to their total love of KuroFai I think. Sorry because I am one of those people who does find Cloney a bit too perfect and uninteresting (until he went all heartless and psycho and hawt.. I have a thing for "evil" psycho characters.. Like Light from Death Note lol). But despite the fact I don't overly like him, I do find it quite depressing when people are always bashing him (and Sakura). In fact, people seem to sometimes bash R!Syaoran for simply being in a chapter, like "he's getting in the way of the KuroFai romance" or something. PAH! If/when KuroFai happens, it will happen, regardless of whether Syaoran happens to be in their panel at the same time or not xD Don't complain about Syaoran, complain to CLAMP!
(Actually, I like KuroFai myself but don't get whats sooooo great about them. And why a load of fangirls insist on drawing fanarts with Fai dressed up as a woman in the arms of a bulky Kurogane.. thats not hot.. it's just wrong..)
Anyway, as for Sakura, I thought she was fine in TRC. It's just Cloney I didn't like. There's a very good reason why Sakura is slightly different in TRC to CCS and thats because she lost her memories.. Since her memories make up who she is as a person. The first chapter before she lost them and in all her childhood memories, she's exactly like her CCS counterpart. And even though I never disliked her, I do definately like her a lot more now that she's being all badass with guns and making her own decisions and whatnot. Much love to her <3
With Sakura and Cloney's relationship.. meh, didn't do much for me. Sorry. There was the whole thing about her forgetting him which was admittedly very sad. I remember crying during that scene when she said "Who are you?" and he went out into the rain. But a little while after that, they were all smiley and blushy with each other again.. getting agitated when one of them was in trouble.. holding hands and stuff.. and it just felt a bit like.. okay, so she's obviously fallen in love with him again *yawn*. And the whole way through it was very much the case of "Syaoran the hero" and "Sakura the damsel in distress". And since they're supposed to be teenagers, the whole cutesy thing to their relationship didn't work. *realises she's on an S+S thread* Please don't kill me >< Just my opinion.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 03 2007, 05:12 am ---You might think R!Syaoran’s little things are cute but I can’t see anything of R!Syaoran RIGHT NOW other than a poorly developed character. IMO CLAMP screwed the boy over big time. I had big hopes for him and he turned out to be more of a panel-filler and an angst maker.
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I think there will definately be much more to R!Syaoran in the future than just the emo-guy who angsts. And keep in mind, he did come in at a rather angsty part of the story.. although in a way he caused thr angst but it's not really his fault, poor guy. I know what you mean when you said about him being annoying because he doesn't speak up enough and I respect your opinion.. I just find him a hell of a lot more interesting and attractive than I ever found his clone.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 03 2007, 05:12 am ---He's really bad at being like his CCS! counterpart though, because one of the greatest things he had with CCS!Sakura was to be able to talk to work things out that they only knew.
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But keep in mind it is a very different situation to CCS. The Syaoran is CCS didn't have to put up with feeling like a "replacement".. and besides, CCS Syaoran only spoke to Sakura about the Clow Cards.. never really about his emotions/feelings (except the confession and everything after that.. obviously)
--- Quote from: Mari on August 03 2007, 05:12 am ---I’m sure both of us sound really stupid to all viewers of this thread (Yay to us xD)
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Anyone who's followed our conversation this far deserves a medal or something. Especially if they've managed to understand my posts when I don't even understand half of what I'm saying myself. And since they're obviously interested enough in the subject they should come and join in our discussion *hint*. But we've probably scared everyone off by now xD
--- Quote from: Mari on August 03 2007, 05:12 am ---What do you think R!Syaoran’s referring to when he said “even if that heart doesn’t return….”?
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Hmm.. I think by "that heart" he's referring to the heart that was temporarily in the Clone. He says "even if that heart won't return. I'll protect her no matter what.. Sakura".. so I think he's saying that even if that heart won't go back to the Clone (and he stated before that it can't) he will still protect Sakura...
But thats as far as I can guess. I'm really not entirely sure. What do you think about it?
Mari:
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 03 2007, 11:18 pm ---Eh, I dunno :/ I think he was "a bit off" (as Touya put it) at the start because he had no memories prior to being found by Fujitaka.. maybe..
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*tilts head* Eh?
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 03 2007, 11:18 pm ---I don't like the TRC fandom very much...
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Seconding that.
And yay. She described her discontent for Syaoran-kun without using the word “boring.” Uninteresting sounds less demeaning…lol. EVERY character gets bashed from getting in the way of KuroxFay >.> but mostly from the people who are rather insecure and don’t have total love for their OTP =3 Yea. Poor R!Syaoran put up with a lot of crap, just because he was standing next to them…or even going to Celes with them…I don’t think he’s much of a “interference” now that he’s on the floor…yet, no one seems to care the actual plot is somewhere around him not on the current battle (get back to plot plz&thnx CLAMP xD)
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 03 2007, 11:18 pm ---*realises she's on an S+S thread*
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She realizes after all the scene referencing I had to do for her xP
But meh. It’s really the SxSxS thread until we find out what’s going on with Syaoran(s)~
It’s sort of strange how they are overly cute and innocent. I find it adorable but none the less…they act a lot younger then how CCS! Syaoran and Sakura don’t they? >.> Which then leads to the lame fan fiction about them acting like nine year olds in fan fiction…gah.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 03 2007, 11:18 pm ---I think there will definitely be much more to R!Syaoran in the future
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Better be xD Though I’m not too happy with him now I still love the guy. Especially when his face gets all shadowed/shaded xD
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 03 2007, 11:18 pm ---only spoke to Sakura about the Clow Cards…
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That‘s what I‘m talking about. They shared the Clow cards in CCS…they’re sharing this, being up against this FWR, together now but he’s been keeping it all to himself. It might help Sakura a little if she knew more about the person after her body…and I know CLAMP is going to do something to cover it, saying crap about giving too many options and future changing but it’s really killing their relationship, whatever it may be, in the meantime…
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 03 2007, 11:18 pm ---What do you think about it?
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That whole thing Clow was saying before that just confused me even more--or maybe the translations for it did. Because in one of the translations it was saying how the “him/he” wasn’t a definite pronoun, just like an “it” And then there’s the whole blood related thing….CLAMP does an awesome job messing with my mind. I originally thought he was talking about the clone’s “heart” too…but how it’s said is strange. Almost like it was a separate heart…not a piece, like he had loaned.
[EDIT] Lmao. I didn't even see your family tree! Or the timeline It's true. You really, really have too much time xDD
redeternity:
Now you're the one replying too quickly ;)
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---Poor R!Syaoran put up with a lot of crap, just because he was standing next to them…or even going to Celes with them…I don’t think he’s much of a “interference” now that he’s on the floor…yet, no one seems to care the actual plot is somewhere around him not on the current battle (get back to plot plz&thnx CLAMP xD)
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So true. I've gotta say the past 2 or so chapters have been so boring (and I feel so Syaoran deprived lately ;_;). Even Syaoran is bored with the fight. He told them to "hurry up" in chapter 161 xD Actually, I wonder.. how is he/are they planning on saving Sakura from dying? They need to get the soul back to the body and in order to do that they need to get into the dream world. Syaoran has been there, but he wasn't in the same part Sakura was in. And whatever made him go to the dream world in the first place is definately to do with Watanuki I think. But I wanna know what!! And I can't theorize yet because I haven't read past xxxholic volume 3 -_-.. I will try and catch up in this 3 week break.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---She realizes after all the scene referencing I had to do for her xP
But meh. It’s really the SxSxS thread until we find out what’s going on with Syaoran(s)~
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Btw, is there a Syaoran x Syaoran thread anywhere around here? It's my second favourite pairing in TRC, even if it is crack :lol:. There should be one!!
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---It’s sort of strange how they are overly cute and innocent. I find it adorable but none the less…they act a lot younger then how CCS! Syaoran and Sakura don’t they? >.>
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Yeah, exactly. It's really odd. Where were their hormones?!?!? And am I the only one that cringes everytime I see this splash?
Ehh, it feels so weird when you look back on TRC's first 14-ish volumes.. I sometimes wonder if I'm reading the same manga.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---they’re sharing this, being up against this FWR, together now but he’s been keeping it all to himself.
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I'm not sure if he even knows a great deal more about FWR than any of the rest of them. I mean, yes, somehow he knew about FWR's plan (CLAMP haven't told us how - maybe Clow told him? Or Yuuko?) but he told Kurogane that he couldn't help them because he didn't know what dimension FWR was in or anything like that..
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---and I know CLAMP is going to do something to cover it, saying crap about giving too many options and future changing
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Sorry, what?
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---That whole thing Clow was saying before that just confused me even more--or maybe the translations for it did. Because in one of the translations it was saying how the “him/he” wasn’t a definite pronoun, just like an “it” And then there’s the whole blood related thing….CLAMP does an awesome job messing with my mind.
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Heh, me too. But o.O ..an "it"??! All the translations I saw translated it as him/he.
This is what I thought about it:
"Even if he's someone you should have met, you can't meet him"
"Even if you stretch out your hand you can’t touch him”
"Even if he reflects in your eyes you can't reach him" - I think he's talking to Sakura here for all these 3 lines about not being able to meet/touch/reach R!Syaoran. But he could possibly be talking to Cloney about R!Syaoran.
Then he says: “even if you’ve chosen them for yourself, the painful things won’t change. Even like this.. you want to protect right? Once you have decided something you can't resent that.” - 100% sure he's talking to R!Syaoran here. But not sure what he means by "even like this".
Then he says “This too is like being blood related” – WTF? Have no idea what he means here.
But whatever the case, I think Clow definately knew R!Syaoran was watching through Cloney's eye.
Woah, actually a thought occured to me.. maybe CLAMP were tricking us and that whole speech was directed towards R!Syaoran about Watanuki? Just a thought.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 04 2007, 12:07 am ---I originally thought he was talking about the clone’s “heart” too…but how it’s said is strange. Almost like it was a separate heart…not a piece, like he had loaned.
[EDIT] Lmao. I didn't even see your family tree! Or the timeline It's true. You really, really have too much time xDD
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I hope nobody else has lost a heart or half a heart or something. 'Cause that just means more confusion.
And nah, it only took me a couple of minutes on paint lol
Mari:
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---Now you're the one replying too quickly ;)
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Well….ummm…that is-- *hides behind tree*
You’ll miss me when I’m gone next week xP
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---And I can't theorize yet because I haven't read past xxxholic volume 3 -_-.. I will try and catch up in this 3 week break.
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GET ON THAT! There’s important stuff in the recent chapters while Sakura and Watanuki are talking in the dream. Like about how Sakura knows her and Syaoran-kun share the same birthday…how Watanuki means April 1st…and now Watanuki can’t remember his parents names!!! Also she comments a lot about how Watanuki and R!Syaoran are alike which sort of reminds me in CCS when Sakura was saying her father and Eriol were very alike….but I don’t think R!Syaoran is a piece of Clow or of Watanuki or anything like that He doesn’t where glasses after all xDD
That really pretty splash of Sakura back in 160--for a second I thought her body was starting to decompose but it was the overlap they were using ^^;;
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---Btw, is there a Syaoran x Syaoran thread anywhere around here? It's my second favourite pairing in TRC, even if it is crack :lol:. There should be one!!
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Sadly no. Even if more people support SyaoranxSyaoran then Sakura with either xP There’s a non-canon thread here and a Syaoran!cest community at LJ (where someone just posted a nice little fanart :3) but that’s all I know of. I've been searching for SyaoranxSyaoran fanfics myself :/
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---Yeah, exactly. It's really odd. Where were their hormones?!?!?
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Back in Clow?
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---And am I the only one that cringes everytime I see this splash?
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I totally thought SyaoranxYuuko (=“butterfly”) when I clicked. Now there’s a crack!pairing xD
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---I'm not sure if he even knows a great deal more about FWR than any of the rest of them. I mean, yes, somehow he knew about FWR's plan (CLAMP haven't told us how - maybe Clow told him? Or Yuuko?) but he told Kurogane that he couldn't help them because he didn't know what dimension FWR was in or anything like that..
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Still how he ended up there and his connections. If he wanted to stop FWR and FWR knew this, then there’s obviously some pieces we’re missing out on. They’ll come in time…or they better >.>
>>>and I know CLAMP is going to do something to cover it, saying crap about giving too many options and future changing....
As in how Sakura couldn’t tell anyone about her dream, or about who was going to be stabbed because choices only create more options, which then make the future harder to control.
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---Woah, actually a thought occured to me.. maybe CLAMP were tricking us and that whole speech was directed towards R!Syaoran about Watanuki? Just a thought.
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Could make a little more sense about blood related I guess…
Gah. I don’t know what to guess anymore
All I know is that R!Syaoran looked really good in that silhouette in his room xD
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---I hope nobody else has lost a heart or half a heart or something. 'Cause that just means more confusion.
And nah, it only took me a couple of minutes on paint lol
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Just watch. It turns out that the real Sakura’s memories were erased as a child on so that “heart” was the one R!Syaoran loved…and so even if that “Sakura” won’t return, he’s still going to protect her.
And so the theory will be proved with Sakura’s twin entering in this upcoming drama. Lol.
Like we don’t have enough of those running around…though I’m not altogether against Fay!twin (They’re really both sort of Fay at this point I suppose…>.>) making an appearance and giving Kuro-sama some fun =3
--- Quote from: redeternity on August 04 2007, 11:17 pm ---And nah, it only took me a couple of minutes on paint lol
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You and your Paint skillz xP Quite flaunting it to the world
redeternity:
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---You’ll miss me when I’m gone next week xP
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Gone for the whole week??!!! NOOOO!! :cry:
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---GET ON THAT! There’s important stuff in the recent chapters while Sakura and Watanuki are talking in the dream. Like about how Sakura knows her and Syaoran-kun share the same birthday…how Watanuki means April 1st…and now Watanuki can’t remember his parents names!!! Also she comments a lot about how Watanuki and R!Syaoran are alike which sort of reminds me in CCS when Sakura was saying her father and Eriol were very alike….but I don’t think R!Syaoran is a piece of Clow or of Watanuki or anything like that He doesn’t where glasses after all xDD
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Ah, well I've read the recent chapters of xxxholic with Sakura and Syaoran.. and up to volume 3.. just not the stuff inbetween. Luckily I don't think I've really spoiled anything for myself by doing that. And yeah.. how did she know about Cloney's birthday being April 1st?? Unless he told her at some point during their travels and I missed it.
I keep thinking R!Syaoran and Watanuki are like, family related. Because Watanuki looks so much like Clow and since R!Syaoran is meant to be blood related to Clow Reed (and presumebly FWR too since they both share the surname "Reed") then maybe R!Syaoran and Watanuki are brothers or something?? And Watanuki just can't remember him because his feathers got sent across alternate dimensions xD for some reason.
Worst case scenario: R!Syaoran is FWR's son xD But the only way this could be possible would be if his mother was extremely beautiful and he got all his genes from her lol.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---Sadly no. Even if more people support SyaoranxSyaoran then Sakura with either xP There’s a non-canon thread here and a Syaoran!cest community at LJ (where someone just posted a nice little fanart :3) but that’s all I know of. I've been searching for SyaoranxSyaoran fanfics myself :/
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Looks like the syaorancest community at LJ is members only though. Drat. I don't even have an LJ account - I'm too shy lol.
And ZOMGJSKDHGBEUSINKLD!!!!111 That Syaorancest fanart!! ..wow..!! *saves* Thanks for sharing! I need more!! xD I suddenly have the urge to draw my own fanart of them.. shame I can't draw very well -_-
On a sadder note, I notice that the Flouritecest community has more members than the Syaorancest one. Seriously, wtf is going on?? Syaorancest is love! Syaoran is love! <3 <3 I hate you TRC fandom! *sulks*
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---Back in Clow?
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LOL
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---Still how he ended up there and his connections.
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Dunno, perhaps Yuuko sent him there? Since we know he can't dimension travel on his own and he'd know which dimension he was in if he actually lived there. But then it still leaves the question of how he knew in the first place - I think Clow Reed or Clow-ou.
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---All I know is that R!Syaoran looked really good in that silhouette in his room xD
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Syaoran always looks good :D
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---And so the theory will be proved with Sakura’s twin entering in this upcoming drama. Lol.
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In a way Sakura does have a twin. Well, sort of. Since there are kinda two of her - her body and soul. CLAMP really love the whole twin (and eyes) theme don't they?
--- Quote from: Mari on August 05 2007, 07:33 am ---You and your Paint skillz xP Quite flaunting it to the world
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You're just jealous! ....Yeah, I think I'll go reaquaint myself with photoshop...
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