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Meowzy:
but it's really obvious that fem. Ashura and Ashura from Ceres country are not the some person. i mean, come on! just place them next to each other and compare.
Ashura from Shura country is incredibly femine and his hair is a bit different too. also, he's much more... slender.
Ashura-ou from Ceres country has these odd jewels on his forehead (though those could represent a crown or something...), and he looks a whole lot... larger. he's just built bigger and manlier than feminine Ashura from Shura country.
let's not forget the fact that Shura Ashura looks a bit younger.

so i agree when people say Ceres country Ashura represents the father from RG Veda, and Shura country Ashura represents the son.
i've never read RG Veda though. it's such an expensive manga... i can't afford it. ^^'

when it comes down to personality however, I don't know. Shura Ashura could have the same personality Ceres Ashura (once) had. But Fai never met Shura Ashura, except for in battle. So he wouldn't recognise that personality. (hence coming back to the conversation in Pfiffle)

Jeannette:
If you remember, the statue of the goddess Ashura that they have in Sharano looks different from the Ashura we actually meet in Shurano. The goddess they worship in the Yuuka district has MUCH lighter hair color, and is drawn a bit more feminine that the Ashura in Shurano (yes, it is possible to make Ashura look even more feminine). Yet, the Ashura of the past and Ashura the Goddess of Sharano are one and the same. Remember, Ashura is very, very, very androgynous. Why wouldn't s/he look more masculine in one world and more feminine in another? Besides, how much of Fai's Ashura have we seen? Only a few shots here and there. As I said, it's possible they are two completely different souls. It's entirely possible that I'm completely, utterly wrong. But, as I said in my last post, I think that to have two different souls with the same name would be... really, really pointlessly confusing. Having one soul living in two different worlds is confusing enough.  To have the father/child distinction would just add a really silly layer that would add no true depth to the story. Plus, I believe the conversation in Piffle is clearer and more consistent if one takes my view. And I have a strong faith in Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the most correct, even in Clamp. There is definitely a point where further complexity just becomes cumbersome and pointless, as I said.
Of course, this is Clamp.Therefore, until we have more evidence, I'll stick to my guns.

kolaida:
This was the most hilarious thing to read! XD  I absolutely love the idea of Fai being a feather! OMG! Could you just see the looks on Kurogane, Syaoran, and Sakura's faces if Fai were to just, like.... go *poof* and there's like a feather where Fai used to be?! That would be so priceless!  Didn't Syaoran say something about Fai being able to dodge things like he were a feather or piece of paper or something (somewhere in volume 2; can't remember the exact wording).  But, wow, that would be great. Now, I half hope he IS a feather because I've never seen a person turned into a feather or viceversa! That would rock!   Although, it would be very weird. O_O But still neat!

I honestly hope Ashura doesn't follow Fai through different dimensions because they were lovers. That would just be so--- mushy.  And, I don't know, I mean if Ashura is a king of a country why would he live his kindgom to go chase after one person? I mean, this one person must've really irritated the living daylights out of him and even if it were love then why would the other person be on the run from him. Unless Ashura's a king with no country anymore and it's thanks to this one person?  I mean, I could see dimension travel for that purpose, but other stuff  just seems kind of.....overdramatic. And then there were dead bodies lying around in the Fai intro.  But I really want to see, like, Ashura on a mad mission of vengeance or something along those lines. I'd also like it if Ashura turned out to be a "good guy" as well.

Also, I figured Chi calling Fai "king" might be a mistranslation.  But, on the same token, since Fai made Chi, I guess there really isn't anything wrong with her calling him her king.  Also, the back of the first book refers to Fai as a ruler of his land. I don't know if that was a mistranslation or spoiler slipup.  And I realize he introduces himself as wizard, but no one said he couldn't be both, right? ^^ But it is possible that maybe he and Ashura were at war or something? I mean, does he ever flat out call Ashura *his* King? (I haven't read every volume out) I know he says "King Ashura" but here, in the US, we refer to royalty in other countries as "Prince soandso, Princess soandso, etc" but we never mean it as *our* prince, princess, king or queen.  Of course, I am just completely rambling now.

I have a feeling that when Fai's past is revealed concerning his connections to Ashura there will be plenty of gray lines and I doubt Fai will be completely innocent. Also, I think, somehow, Kurogane's lesson about unnecessary death will really come to light at this point. I could be completely wrong, though. Ah, yeah, I also noticed that the markings on Fai's back and Ashura's little--what is that called--watercoffin?? were the same.  Also, I won't be surprised if Ashura has a feather.

Eh, but I really would find it funny if Fai were a feather! That would just be hilarious!  Wow, that was long. *sweatdrop* Sorry. I ramble.

Meowzy:
*flips back a few pages*
Fai being a feather? Har har! yeah, i never linked Fai's tattoo to the feathers. But if he were a feather, and the tattoo was removed, what kind of consequences would that have?
and better yet, would Kurogane cry if the feather was returned to Sakura's body? XD

AkaiYuki:
Hmmm.. I haven't totally read everything that's been added here, ((Because they're so looong!!!)) But I believe there has been some Ashura confusion going on in here! Celes' Ashura, in RG Veda, is Ashura-OU, and the other Ashura is just Ashura. Because femme Ashura is Ashura-ou's SON. ((It has no gender, but it is addressed as his son in RG Veda)) What I think is causing confusion here is in Tsubasa, they're both addressed as Ashura-ou. The Ashura is Shurano and the statue in Sharano ARE the same guy, because the statue is just a statue of him. ((I also saw something about light hair color mentioned? Ashura's hair color never changed, if anyone thought he suddenly went blonde, it was probably because it was a statue so it's grey, making it look blondish in manga...)) And Meowzy-chan, If Fai IS a feather, or if ANYTHING bad happens to him, Kuro BETTER cry or CLAMP is in for some major trouble when I meet them! *growls*

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