Topic: The heresy that is Cardcaptors. (Read 106770 times)

fisah · « **Reply #200 on:** April 20 2005, 12:04 pm »

Yup, I thought the second one was fine too, since it was made by Pioneer. I wished that the whole CCS was dubbed like that. I also thought it was kind of great how they kept in Sakura's "Hoooe!" ^^

Wow. Okay, maybe the death threats are going too far.

I'd destroy the Nelvana headquarters, but I definitely wouldn't start a mini-holocaust. They deserve despise, but no one, never, ever deserves death. ESPECIALLY NOT FOR A SHOW THEY MESSED UP. How trivial.

Now calm down, people, we all hate Cardcaptors, but we shouldn't hate Nelvana to this sort of extent. And to help you people, the chances of them grabbing the Tsubasa license isn't really high. Tsubasa has plenty of sub-animes within it, and in order to do Tsubasa they'd have to get the licenses for the other animes as well.

Gomen, I really didn't mean to be that hurtful. I guess I got carried away, I kind of do that when I get angry. I guess we can forgive Nelvana, but I guess it would take a long time to acutaly forget about the catastrphe known as CC. Sorry again for my way of venting my anger ^^

Little Wolf · « **Reply #201 on:** April 21 2005, 09:03 pm »

This thread's really amusing...

I don't mind really if it has turned into a Nelvana hate thread.Â

Xiao Ying · « **Reply #202 on:** April 22 2005, 01:46 am »

hahah! ^_^ maybe because it's what it's all about? hatiiiiinggg nelbaka......

Takeru · « **Reply #203 on:** April 22 2005, 03:57 am »

Actually, it's about hating Cardcaptors, not Nelvana.

D.J.P · « **Reply #204 on:** April 22 2005, 03:31 pm »

I think most people are hating both - hating cardcaptors for what it is and hating the company that done it

Ralea · « **Reply #205 on:** April 22 2005, 04:03 pm »

This topic's really gone far!

Nelvana's the reason why Cardcraptors exist, that's why people hate theem so much.

Arcademan · « **Reply #206 on:** April 22 2005, 10:16 pm »

I know a few poeple hate the voice-acting form Cardcaptors but you shouldn't blame them: Nelbaka hired them, told them how it should be done and created the train wreck

Xiao Ying · « **Reply #207 on:** April 23 2005, 12:31 am »

lol~ so right..

and about that Valley girly thingy~ I think it perfectly fits MADISON.. Madison, not Tomoyo.. ^_^

Miss Jenni-Maie · « **Reply #208 on:** April 23 2005, 04:24 am »

True, true. It suits Madison . .. but I don't like it

I don't blame the voice actors, I just blame Nelvana. Since the voice acting problem is common in ALOT of dubs, so I'm used to it. I just blame Nelvana for EVERYTHING else that went horribly wrong.

Hmm...someone ate one of my cookies.

fisah · « **Reply #209 on:** April 23 2005, 01:21 pm »

*gives cookie*

We have a theif among us *looks around*

But yeah, I don't blame the voice actors, well, it isn't there fault there not expereinced and stuff, its just Nelvana's fault for not taking their project seriously. I mean, no effort was shown at all, there main priority was just to create another Pokemon >.<

That's why I hate dubs so much, they try to americanize something, and than the whole meaning of the show and the plot itself is just messed. That's why some things should just be left the way it is, namely animes that contain things that may seem inapporiapiate (in some people's eyes), but are vital to the plot. ( Sakura and Syaoran's relationship)

Bleh, went overboard, but that's just they way I feel about Nelvana and their dubbing ^^

Miss Jenni-Maie · « **Reply #210 on:** April 23 2005, 05:02 pm »

Nope. You didn't go overboard. You took the words out of my mouth.
They should just subtitle all anime on TV and leave it as it is. That would do us all a favour instead of random anime fans having heart attacks over bad dubbing.
[sigh]

Cardcaptor Takato · « **Reply #211 on:** April 24 2005, 12:49 am »

Quote from: fisah on April 23 2005, 01:21 pm

*gives cookie*

We have a theif among us *looks around*

But yeah, I don't blame the voice actors, well, it isn't there fault there not expereinced and stuff, its just Nelvana's fault for not taking their project seriously. I mean, no effort was shown at all, there main priority was just to create another Pokemon >.<

Actually, according to this page http://www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com/seiyuu.shtml the only VAs in CC who didn't have any experience prior to CC were Sakoorah's, Li's, and Tori's. Even Madison's VA had played in anime before (only one series, though), and she did play Kitty in X-men: Evolution, although acting in an American cartoon and acting for Japanese animation is different, so that probably doesn't count. Really, the VAs aren't that bad....they just don't fit the characters any is the problem, so it is Nelbaka's fault after all, and not the poor VAs themselves for just doing what they're told (although I still don't like them). And if I'm not mistaken, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Carly Mckillip was about ten years old herself when she played Sakoorah, which is the same age as her character...

Xiao Ying · « **Reply #212 on:** April 24 2005, 01:18 am »

w/c made her even more bratty.. T_T raar!

Miss Jenni-Maie · « **Reply #213 on:** April 24 2005, 06:18 am »

Haha I was just looking at clowbook.com
I was reading the FAQ section and I had to laugh at their answer to this question:
Why did Nelvana edit the shows and alter the content from the original Japanese version?
The answer:
Nelvana has a strong reputation for priving quality children's entertainment worldwide with 30 years in the industry. Carcaptors is directed at children between approximately 6 to 14 years of age and we have made certain decisions to exclude portions of the original in keeping with our standards for children's entertainment.

Hmm..okay. But here's the kicker:

We believe these edits do not take away from the overall positive Carcaptors experience for viewers.

. . . MUahahahahahha! Then how come everyone hates you??
Doesn't sound positive to me. Oh my god I fell off my chair laughing.
There were other ones that made me laugh/angry but this one was just....HAhahhaa!

Ruby Chan · « **Reply #214 on:** April 24 2005, 06:42 am »

Think about it...most people wouldn't know about Cardcaptor Sakura at all if it hadn't been for Nelvana showing Cardcaptors....we should be thnaking them for at least trying to show it to us!

fisah · « **Reply #215 on:** April 24 2005, 09:10 am »

Quote from: Endoh on April 24 2005, 06:18 am

Haha I was just looking at clowbook.com
I was reading the FAQ section and I had to laugh at their answer to this question:
Why did Nelvana edit the shows and alter the content from the original Japanese version?
The answer:
Nelvana has a strong reputation for priving quality children's entertainment worldwide with 30 years in the industry. Carcaptors is directed at children between approximately 6 to 14 years of age and we have made certain decisions to exclude portions of the original in keeping with our standards for children's entertainment.

Hmm..okay. But here's the kicker:

We believe these edits do not take away from the overall positive Carcaptors experience for viewers.

Yeah, Sakura and Syaoran's relationship wasn't vital to the plot, I mean it only butchered the entire series making it into some waste I'd rather not talk about

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Ah well, there to stuck up to admit that they destoryed the show. Besides, CCS was a show for all ages, man, just because the main characters are young doesn't mean the show is directed to younger viewers >.< Okay, maybe it is, but older people than 5 can watch the show too ya know. Children entertainment my bum!

Ralea · « **Reply #216 on:** April 24 2005, 10:52 am »

*viewing http://www.clowbook.com*

They didn't give much information about the CCS japanese series huh?

Q: What's the difference between the show Cardcaptor Sakura in Japan and Cardcaptors in North America?

A: In addition to changing the show from Japanese to English, Nelvana worked with Kids WB! and Teletoon to ensure Cardcaptors met North American children's broadcasting standards.

My foot!

fisah · « **Reply #217 on:** April 24 2005, 02:51 pm »

What do they think we are, so deprived people who haven't thought about love, or shonen-ai for that matter. When I was a kid I knew about love, and I wasn't stupid too. I swear, my first crush was in Grade 4. We're not that much different than Japnese kids, we still share the same thinking.

When North-americans want to make things 'apporpiate' they mean take out anything that looks remotely emotional and make the characters into robots. That's why I like watching subbed anime, it's idealistic, not some biased crap that think is 'apporpiate' for children.

I got my self worked up again XD

Miss Jenni-Maie · « **Reply #218 on:** April 24 2005, 03:04 pm »

Quote from: fisah on April 24 2005, 02:51 pm

What do they think we are, so deprived people who haven't thought about love, or shonen-ai for that matter. When I was a kid I knew about love, and I wasn't stupid too. I swear, my first crush was in Grade 4. We're not that much different than Japnese kids, we still share the same thinking.
When North-americans want to make things 'apporpiate' they mean take out anything that looks remotely emotional and make the characters into robots. That's why I like watching subbed anime, it's idealistic, not some biased crap that think is 'apporpiate' for children.
I got my self worked up again XD

My thoughts exactly!
With all the advertiements/movies/media (cause practically all of it has to do with sex) all these kids are watching and being influenced by, you'd think a little bit of romance in a so called, "Childrens" anime would be nothing! I mean, there will be those beer, condom and anything to do with sex/drug use commercials playing during the breaks on CC......does a little shonen-ai REALLY matter?
It confuses me. Greatly confuses me.
Haha, and by the way...I had my first crush in the 1st grade

fisah · « **Reply #219 on:** April 24 2005, 03:10 pm »

I totally agree with you. Where influenced by things far more 'inapporpiate' but a little innocent romance and a bit of shonen-ai is considered bad. It really doens't make sense. I just think that Americans just don't like innocent things, I mean, if there was sex in the show, I bet they'd keep it in and rate it R or something. Look at Gundam SEED for example, it has sex in it, and it was kept in, mind you, the sex was also not from 'innocent' matters either.

Like I said before, American's anime producers are biased, if the product isn't appealing to them they will alter it and make itÂ to their liking, with the classic excuse: "I needs to be apporpiate"

But hey, sex is apporpiate, and some innocent love is so bad. We live in a weird world XD

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Haha, and by the way...I had my first crush in the 1st grade

Really, you must've of been pretty mature than

It just goes to show that we're not as stupid as they think we are ^^

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