Topic: The heresy that is Cardcaptors. (Read 106679 times)

D.J.P · « **Reply #400 on:** May 31 2005, 09:42 pm »

because KidsWB decided they wanted to show Li & Sakura together so the episodes played contain both of them (and also episodes with 'action')

Cardcaptor Takato · « **Reply #401 on:** May 31 2005, 11:00 pm »

Quote from: DarkWolfYoukai on May 31 2005, 08:57 pm

yeah, time could be a factor, but sooner or later nelvana will hate us since i'm sure at least a few of us have sent them hate mail and have bothered them. i hate people who bother me an send me hate mail. besides, anyone ever seen Soap? it's a very old sitcom. made before my 14 years of life, and it has a gay guy in it who tried to kill himself because his boyfriend fell in love with a girl. if they can show Soap on tv before 1999 what's wrong with an innocent anime?

Because it's a sitcom. CC is a cartoon being targeted at kids. It's an entirely different target audience. And Nelvana believed that kids hated ALL kinds of romance whether it was "innocent" or not. They thought kids would only be interested in action scenes, so they cut out all the mushy romance stuff so the boy audience that Nelvana was trying to aim CC at wouldn't think the show has cooties or something (and I'm referring to the American version here).

D.J.P · « **Reply #402 on:** May 31 2005, 11:04 pm »

I hereby give up trying to say that there is only one dub and a couple of countries managed to see all of it.

Ruby Chan · « **Reply #403 on:** May 31 2005, 11:08 pm »

We get what you mean - the whole series was dubbed, but some countries juts chose to show certain episodes/blend episodes together.

It's just easier to refer to American/English/Australian versions when describing what version of the dubbed CCS you saw. As English/Australian viewers saw more episodes than American viewers, it stands to reason that we'll have different views about whether Cardcaptors is a heresy or not.

D.J.P · « **Reply #404 on:** May 31 2005, 11:10 pm »

My opinion: it should never have been made (and I saw all 70 dubbed episodes)

(and I do wish people would refer to it as the dub regardless cause it can confuse people)

Ruby Chan · « **Reply #405 on:** May 31 2005, 11:17 pm »

Ok then. Apologise in advance if I slip back into country dubs anytime soon.

In my opinion, the dub wasn't that bad (full number of episodes version). The plot was covered, there was humour, adventure, friendship....if you watched it for the first time it was a great anime cartoon. I thikn it was only badif you'd seen the japanese version first, as you were able to pick up on cut scenes and script.

Otherwise, it was a good attempt, and Cardcaptors will always have a special place in my heart, as the first anime cartoon (other than Digimon) to really get me into anime.

fisah · « **Reply #406 on:** May 31 2005, 11:31 pm »

*nods* Pretty sure I mentioned this earlier, because CC got us into anime! When I look at it that way, it doesn't seem so bad.

But, when its compared to the original, then, well, it isnt so good is it? I think CC was an adaption rather than a dub, if anyone remembers Sailor Moon, it was the same idea, except, most of the romance was kept in, and CC aired a couple years later than SM.

Cardcaptor Takato · « **Reply #407 on:** June 01 2005, 07:14 am »

Quote from: Ruby Chan on May 31 2005, 11:17 pm

Ok then. Apologise in advance if I slip back into country dubs anytime soon.

In my opinion, the dub wasn't that bad (full number of episodes version). The plot was covered, there was humour, adventure, friendship....if you watched it for the first time it was a great anime cartoon. I thikn it was only badif you'd seen the japanese version first, as you were able to pick up on cut scenes and script.

Otherwise, it was a good attempt, and Cardcaptors will always have a special place in my heart, as the first anime cartoon (other than Digimon) to really get me into anime.

Yeah, by itself CC wasn't all that bad. You have to admit that the action scenes were exiciting and the animation in CC was a lot better than the animation in most of the other anime that was aired on Saturday mornings around that era. I lost count of how many times I watched the CC movie when I was a dubbie. Still, even though I saw CC before the original and it did help me to get hooked on CLAMP, I can't stand to watch it anymore after seeing CCS because I know that something superior is missing from the show, not to mention the English VAs and stupid dialog always annoyed me to no end.

fisah · « **Reply #408 on:** June 01 2005, 12:30 pm »

Yes, agree! CC is good when it isn't compared to CCS! I guess we are neutral when it comes to this, ne?

But the quality of the animation was good, at least, better than Pokemon *cringes*

Robin Sena · « **Reply #409 on:** June 01 2005, 04:42 pm »

I wonder if time constraints is the issue of less episodes.

D.J.P · « **Reply #410 on:** June 01 2005, 05:35 pm »

No it wasn't, read my post at the top of this page

monkey · « **Reply #411 on:** June 02 2005, 06:19 am »

Quote from: SLi on May 31 2005, 11:10 pm

My opinion: it should never have been made (and I saw all 70 dubbed episodes)

(and I do wish people would refer to it as the dub regardless cause it can confuse people)

well if it was never made there would be a high probability that most people wouldn't of seen it. i mean we don't ever get Japanese shows on tv in my country,
i don't know about yours

Ruby Chan · « **Reply #412 on:** June 02 2005, 06:21 am »

Same here. Hands up everyone who watched Cardcaptors first, THEN Cardcaptor Sakura!

*raises hand*

Like VexNet said, without companies like Nelvana doing dubs, most people wouldn't havae c lue that things like CCS exist.

monkey · « **Reply #413 on:** June 02 2005, 06:30 am »

but then again nelvana didn't HAVE to pick it, ADV or MVM could of picked it and dubbed it.

but yea i saw Cardcaptors first then saw Cardcaptor Sakura

Sakaki · « **Reply #414 on:** June 02 2005, 07:37 am »

Actually, I read some of the books first.
I then became curious about the anime, so I bought a tape of Cardcaptors, NOT knowing about what they did to the show. I thought the show was exactly the same, with them saying the same stuff, only in English.

It was obvious from the first few minutes that the voice acting was horrible and the scenes didn't fit together right.
I got online and did a bit of reading and found out what they had done to Cardcaptor Sakura. I threw my tape in the trash, bought a DVD player, ordered Netflix and watched the episodes in Japanese, uncut and was HAPPY!

Brad · « **Reply #415 on:** June 04 2005, 09:25 pm »

Sorry I didn't read all 20 pages of this topic but I thought the Cardcaptors anime was pretty good! Here in Oz we got an American English dub UNCUT with all the eps in order and an English version of the opening and ending theme songs.

It had the same voice actors as the ones you guys got but was not edited. Very fun to watch. No problems with it at all really except that it didn't sell well here so only the first few eps are for sale on dvd.

I ordered the US DVD of the "first" episode and was horrified. They combined two eps into one and the opening theme credits were utter crap.

If you have a multi region player that can convert PAL to NTSC (all computers do this) you should buy a volume and check it out: This is an Aussie site that sells it: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/mech/quicksearch.zml?f=title&q=cardcaptors The menus are also kick arse animated with instrumental music in the background.

I love the dub. I was just lucky to see the good one.

D.J.P · « **Reply #416 on:** June 04 2005, 09:28 pm »

I can no longer watch the dub, even when I put all my recorded episodes onto dvd I did my best to ignore what was happening.

Nothing can beat the originals

Ruby Chan · « **Reply #417 on:** June 04 2005, 09:29 pm »

No...but some of the dubbed episodes can come pretty close, depending on which version of the Nelvana dub you saw!

CCS will always be better...but CC wasn't that bad either, if you look at it as an attempt to give us a taste of CCS.....

Cardcaptor Takato · « **Reply #418 on:** June 04 2005, 11:28 pm »

Quote from: Brad on June 04 2005, 09:25 pm

Sorry I didn't read all 20 pages of this topic but I thought the Cardcaptors anime was pretty good! Here in Oz we got an American English dub UNCUT with all the eps in order and an English version of the opening and ending theme songs.

If the complete dub of CC is uncut, then why are there still edits to the complete dub's version of One Fateful Day? http://www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com/ep01.shtml

Brad · « **Reply #419 on:** June 05 2005, 01:16 am »

Well okay so there were "5 second" cuts here and there. Nothing major. And my opinion is that that webmaster is a moron. Sakura "introducing herself" is not character development, it's Japanese "poiltness". In Japan when you meet a girl her age they WILL say for example "Hi my name's Yumi Ohara. My hometown is Koshigaya and my hobbies are tv, music and everything pink. I'm12 years old..." etc, etc, etc. They obviously took this out because it's completely unnatural in an English speaking culture for someone to introduce themselves like that. What the dub company did, i.e. "My name's Sakura. This is the day my life changed...", etc is completely natural in the telling of a story.

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