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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #480 on: July 11 2005, 03:20 pm »
Oops, I mean the anti-shoujo fans.

CCS falls under that category unfortunately.

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #481 on: July 12 2005, 06:58 am »
that doesnt mean its a bad thing, of course. some of the couples you see there are cute! though how they come together can be interesting... lol

if ppl say they dont see S+S even in CC version, omg they are so blind. lol. you know how ppl always tease two people of opposite genders that argue often? i believe that and its usually the first steps of love...

ugh, im seriously going to need to cut back on love shows. theyre getting to me. lol. but its quite true. unless they dont have a bright side o.O

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #482 on: July 12 2005, 07:04 am »
I agree! And the way Li always looked at Sakura, and had that blush spreading over his face...right from the start, I thought they'd be a good couple. (this is before I knew they WERE one) and then I quickly realised in the second season that Li had a major crush on Sakura, and she was too naive to notice.

S+S was always there. You just had to actually think about it to find it. Just because it wasn't blatant, doens't mean it was chopped - it was just lessened in the hope of appealing to boys as well.


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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #483 on: July 12 2005, 07:09 am »
yes! but did they end it with them together? ... i dont kno, didnt see the ending but the way everyone rants about how terrible it was, im assuming no. lol

sighs... love is so blind... <--- i think it slightly applies to Sakura in Syaoran's case. :P

i believe that most of the meaning of ccs were S+S. who the heck only just collects cards to save a disaster for the rest of teh people? have the characters no personal lives? ccs wouldnt be so popular if they werent there

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #484 on: July 12 2005, 07:11 am »
I don't know how it ends...I watched every single episode, but not the final of the last episode...just the first of the 2 parter. The recorder had an error, and I ended up recording football instead.

Another thing...I almost preferred Yue in CC, rather than CCS. He was a lot more worried about Sakura from the beginning, and far less bitter.


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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #485 on: July 12 2005, 07:40 am »
"yes! but did they end it with them together? ... i dont kno, didnt see the ending but the way everyone rants about how terrible it was, im assuming no. lol"

Spoiler alert for the ending to CC and CCS: They showed Li and Sakura at the bridge talking about how much they needed each other all along, then they cut out all the scenes of Sakura and Shaoran at the airport.  The next scene after the scene at the bridge was of Sakura going into her room and crying because Li was leaving.  Her tears touched the floor and then a Star Card appeared in her hands.  She turned the card over and smiled, held it close to her and Sakura said to herself,  "Maybe there is hope...", and then Nelvana digitally painted the word "Hope" over the card when they showed it in the final scene.
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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #486 on: July 12 2005, 07:42 am »
***yes! but did they end it with them together? ... i dont kno, didnt see the ending but the way everyone rants about how terrible it was, im assuming no. lol***

I believe the whole airport scene was cut.

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #487 on: July 12 2005, 07:53 am »
okay, after reading the ccs manga in 4 hours (all 12 vol. lol) i must voice my reaction to the *assumed* action: "Bloody hell!" i dont understand why they cut out the good parts... -___-"

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #488 on: July 12 2005, 07:56 am »
Yeah, the airplane scene is cut entirely, including this touching scene of Syaoran giving Sakura his teddy bear. *sighs*

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« Reply #489 on: July 12 2005, 09:56 am »
So sad. When I use to watch CC, and before I knew CCS even existed, I thought Syaoran x Sakura was too adorable. Syaoran seemed like that little boy that hates you because he is in denial about his feelings XD Then after watching the third season, it was so obvious, it wasn't even funny. Even though his dialouge was changed when he tried to confess, he blushed like crazy, and Nelvana didn't bother to cut it out XD I use to think it was so hilarious because I'd go "What's there to blush about that [insert conversation topic]?". They also kept in the elevator scene, the scene when her brothers bike went crazy, and she called him and he blushed, or when Sakura hugged his knees or something. Not to mention other countless times XD So it was pretty obvious, but you really had to watch out for it. IN the original, Syaoran always thought about it, and always had his chats with Tomoyo-chan, and even Yue, Touya also made some comments about it, so did Yukito, so it was more up in your face in the original.

The most funniest cut had to be, when Sakura called Syaoran when he said her name for the first time. In the dub, they made it as though his mother called, and then he blushed and I was going "WTF? Why would you blush when your mom calls? OMFG Incest11!!!" but in the original, Sakura was asking to call him Syaoran-kun XD

They also cut the scene at the ski lodge, which was adorable...also almost everytime he tried to confess, the dilagoue was changed, or it was just cut -_-

But the worst cut, BY FAR, is the airport scene, which was so cute it was suffocating, and it was such a pity. When I found out about that when I started to watch the original, I screamed bloody murder XD
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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #490 on: July 13 2005, 01:06 pm »
i dont see the purpose of cutting/editting those scenes. its what made ccs worth watching. are the people just trying to ruin whats good in entertainment these days? they have no lives. -_-

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #491 on: July 14 2005, 01:54 pm »
yes! but did they end it with them together? ... i dont kno, didnt see the ending but the way everyone rants about how terrible it was, im assuming no. lol

sighs... love is so blind... <--- i think it slightly applies to Sakura in Syaoran's case. :P

i believe that most of the meaning of ccs were S+S. who the heck only just collects cards to save a disaster for the rest of teh people? have the characters no personal lives? ccs wouldnt be so popular if they werent there

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #492 on: July 14 2005, 03:29 pm »
It might have been quite some time since I've been here. And the first thing I want to clarify is that I have officially dropped any qualms I have had against Cardcaptors.

I still think that Card Captor Sakura might have deserved better treatment. When it was converted into Cardcaptors, lots of things changed. The whole show became another series. The beauty of that is, it's not Card Captor Sakura. It's Cardcaptors. Before, I used to take two things that spawn from the same source and compare them with each other. But later, I took the time to review what I knew about Card Captor Sakura and its English dub. Then I recompared them. Separately. And I have to make one thing clear: they are BOTH good shows, each in their own right.

Look at it this way. Most people here are familiar with the Harry Potter series. You might have heard of it, or maybe you're a complete fanatic. But the thing is, when I watched the movie for Prisoner of Azkaban, I enjoyed it. A lot. But my friend who accompanied me didn't. Why, you ask? Because of two important reasons. I hadn't read the accompanying book for more than two years. As for my friend, he read and finished it the night before the movie. So, during the movie, his mind basically clicked on and started equating how drastically different the movie was from the book. And it ruined the experience. Me? I just rode along for the ride. I just watched it, and enjoyed it. I didn't think once about the book. You see, that's the problem here. People are comparing one thing to another.

Maybe Nelvana would have been better off making a spinoff of Card Captor Sakura, rather than disappoint its fans by convulting the storyline into their own creation and setting a different purpose for the show than was originally intended. Maybe that would have worked better than dubbing the show. But the only reason why anyone seemed to hate Cardcaptors was because it wasn't Card Captor Sakura. That it was different. What I'm trying to say is, If you took Cardcaptors, put it in one place, and dropped Card Captor Sakura out of the equation, it's still a very good show worthy of much recognition.

Think to the time when you first discovered Card Captor Sakura, in the form of Cardcaptors. Did you still like the show? Most did. When they saw Card Captor Sakura, they basically took the better and threw out the worse, all of a sudden changing their minds about it just because a more powerful object stepped into the limelight. Cardcaptors is still good.

Maybe some people are angry that Nelvana had changed the show so much. But that's what they did. They changed it. They didn't do it to ruin the Card Captor Sakura name. That's what's important.

Maybe this speech might change some minds. Maybe it won't. But this is a message board. One is to express their feelings and beliefs. And I, as the creator of this thread, the most popular thread on the General CCS Discussion thread, would like to say that I no longer see Cardcaptors a heresy, as so states the topic. I only see it as a work of art, one to be discovered, examined, and admired.

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #493 on: July 14 2005, 09:27 pm »
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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #494 on: July 14 2005, 10:48 pm »

Maybe this speech might change some minds. Maybe it won't. But this is a message board. One is to express their feelings and beliefs. And I, as the creator of this thread, the most popular thread on the General CCS Discussion thread, would like to say that I no longer see Cardcaptors a heresy, as so states the topic. I only see it as a work of art, one to be discovered, examined, and admired.

That's all I have to say.
I pretty much agree with what you're saying in your post, however even though I like CC by itself, I can't call it a work of art.  I can't call it a work of art because Nelvana didn't intend it to be.  While the changes they made to CC were somewhat creative, they didn't have that thought in mind when dubbing CCS.  What they made their changes for was mainly for the sake of aiming the show at boys so they could make more money by turning CC into a Pokemon ripoff.  CCS, on the other hand, I can call a work of art.  I realize that CLAMP also had money on the brain whenever they make anything at all as anyone does when they make a new story, but they spent more time and effort into creating a quality storyline and characters for CCS.  They actually cared more about their work.  Nelvana only saw CC as a money-making scheme, a fad that could help bring in the cash, which could also be another reason why so many people hate it.  I do like CC; I just don't see it as a work of art.
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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #495 on: July 15 2005, 07:01 am »
I'm a bit late.... x.<

Anyway, I didn't really like Cardcaptors. Honestly, I haven't seen much of it, but it seems terrible. Tomoyo... Valley girl.... Die..... *sigh* Poor Tomoyo, I almost fainted when I heard her voice. And taking out S x S! ;-;

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #496 on: July 15 2005, 11:40 am »
I think complaining about Cardcaptors is childish... >_< Tell me, Keiki, do you feel the need to murder those responsible for Cardcaptors?
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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #497 on: July 15 2005, 12:00 pm »
No.... O__o;; For one, it'd be impossible. Two, I'm not that stupid. I'd rather live a healthy, happy life outside of jail.

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #498 on: July 15 2005, 01:01 pm »
I agree that complaining is a bit childish. But people merely try to state a point about what's what seperating the two in their own thoughts. So basically... I don't believe it's complaining. More like stating a point. But I get what you're saying: people are just stating the same thing repeatedly. Lol

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Re: The heresy that is Cardcaptors.
« Reply #499 on: July 15 2005, 02:14 pm »
I think that it was made that way because of the Tomoyo/Sakura and Touya/Yukito relationships. It's a little homosexual, don't you think? It's not that I mind, because I think that Touya and Yukito are a cute couple, but most parents are against  'gays' and 'lesbians' so it's really not something you want to air is it? Plus that Syaoran curses quite a few times. Though, I think you right. Why mix up the episodes and take most of them out? THAT's where Nevlana screwed up.

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