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CLAMP's Famous Works => Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE => Topic started by: totosquirt on November 09 2005, 09:35 pm
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Well, think of it. Just think back to CCS with that "Li Showron" and all those weird names that the company placed in it. They mangled up CSS because of its content and it stunk! What if Tsubasa was turned to english? Would it have the worst voice actors? Would they cut out scenes that they thought didn't make sense (like the japanese honorifics) then realizing that was important so they had to change the dialogue and change the whole personality of each indiviual characters? that's chaos! :angry:
anyways, just list what you would think if they dubbed it to english :) there's my possibility :laughing4:
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do you think they actually listened to the fans and won't scre it up like last time. I think by now they should of learnt thier mistakes... if not.. it's back to preschool for them... those retards...
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Well, i suppose the dialogues would be changed a bit, making Touya and Yukito seem more like... best friends...
perhaps even making Fai and Kurogane seem like rivals *shudder*
Fai: I could beat you with one hand behind my back, blackie!
Kurogane: I'd like to see you try!!!
actual japanese lines:
Fai: But i don't wanna fight you Kuro-sama!
Kurogane: Stop running away, you bastard!
and the glass of wine would be changed to... shall we say... lemonade. ^^'
anyway, i doubt they learned from their mistakes.
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If Tsubasa does get dubbed, it'll probably be dubbed uncut and released direct to DVD by some company like Geneon or ADV. I don't think Nelvana would try to dub Tsubasa as the next CC because Tsubasa doesn't have enough Pokemon-style merchandise for them to make money off of. Tsubasa also features characters from other more mature Clamp series like X and Chobits, which already have uncut DVD releases in the U.S. If kids saw that one of their favorite characters from Tsubasa was in another more mature anime, they might get their parents to buy the DVD for them without knowing what it was, and then when the parents come into the kid's room while they're watching it, they'll be really freaked out and would start sueing. I don't think such a small company like Nelvana would want to risk getting sued by angry parents for enticing their kids into watching a mature anime. And Tsubasa isn't exactly fit to appeal to the general American public, either. Even though Tsubasa could work as a stand alone series without having to watch other Clamp series, Tsubasa would only mean something to those anime fans who are Clamp fans. Since the only Clamp series that's been aired on TV was CC, I don't think there are enough Clamp fans among the general public who would be interested in watching Tsubasa.
After seeing the uncut dub of the second CCS movie, I think dubbing companies are starting to realize that CCS fans don't want their Clamp titles to be screwed up, so they would probably respect the wishes of CCS fans and dub Tsubasa uncut. And does Nelvana even dub anime anymore? I think the last anime they dubbed was Beyblade which I think they gave an uncut DVD release, anyway. So, even if Nelvana would dub Tsubasa, which I highly doubt they will, they would still probably give it an uncut DVD release. But I don't think Nelvana even dubs anime anymore and I think the only anime company out there who still edits their dubs is 4Kids, who I don't think is interested in dubbing Tsubasa or any Clamp series. Maybe they'll just give Tsubasa a sub-only DVD release like they did the CCS TV series and the first movie. If they did dub it, it would most likely be uncut for DVD, but there are just some things that I think would be difficult to dub even in an uncut version, like Fai's nicknames for Kurogane or Sakura calling Shaoran "Shaoran-kun". I would like to see how they could dub this but at the same time I'm sort of hoping they'll just release it sub-only.
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Agreed, Takato-san. Even if Tsubasa were dubbed, I doubt it'd be edited because they normally only do that for TV. ((Well, as far as scenes goes. I have no doubt there will be some serious dialogue changes, but I wouldn't call that editing, they don't really have a choice if there is no English equivalent.)) I'm not really worried, I just won't watch the dubbed version! Well, maybe once to just hear their voices. But I'd rather Tsubasa not be licensed, at least until it's finished, because we won't be able to download them! We'll have to wait so long for the DVDs!!
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I agree. They'd only dub it uncut to go on the DVD.
And in my opinion it would suck still.
The seiyuu make the show. Could you really imagine Fai without
Daisuke Namikawa's lovely voice? He IS Fai.
But I only watch anime in Japanese, so it doesn't really matter to me, except for when they totally destroy an anime and then other people watch it and think that's what anime really is. In my opinion, you can't dub without really hurting the show. Voice actors here are no comparison to the Japanese seiyuu.
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I never want tsubasa to be dubbed! NEVER NEVER NEVER! if they can't find words for the honorifics and nicknames and the japanese culture then don't do it! if they do change it, they will ruin it :cry: :cry: :cry:
to be on the safe side, i hope that it will never be licensed and never be dubbed :hello2: :hello2:
...just thinking:
what is up with the kuro-fai yaoi? o_o i don't get it :heh:
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Why shouldn't Tsubasa ever be licensed? The manga has already been released in English so what would be the point in keeping the anime unlicensed? To say that the anime should never be licensed is very selfish. Granted I download a lot of licensed anime myself, so I'm in no position to talk, but I do respect the companies that license anime and bring it to the U.S. for people to see because some people can't see anime other than through buying the DVDs. Not everyone has the Internet nor does everyone who has the Internet is able to download. To keep Tsubasa unlicensed would be disrespectful to those anime fans who want to see it but can't download it. Also, if there are no Tsubasa DVDs released in the U.S., Clamp can't make a profit off of American fans. The less profit Clamp can make means the less popular Clamp will be which mean less new Clamp series that can be made in the future.
Even if Tsubasa is dubbed and you don't like the dub, you can just switch over to the Japanese language track and turn the subtitles on, since most anime DVDs have that option or you could just stick to your fansubs if you can't buy the DVDs because of money issues or whatever. Still, there's no reason why Tsubasa shouldn't be licensed just because you wouldn't like it dubbed. However, I do have to agree with AkaiYuki in that they should wait until the series is finished being fansubbed before they license it because it would take forever for the American DVDs to catch up to where the fansubs left off, especially considering how long Tsubasa is going to be. Or they should allow the fansubbers to continue fansubbing the episodes until the American DVDs catch up and then they can take them off for download as soon as they do, kind of like what's being done with the Tsubasa manga scans. But I do think Tsubasa should be licensed eventually, if only so anime fans without downloading capabilities can see it.
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But I do think Tsubasa should be licensed eventually, if only so anime fans without downloading capabilities can see it.
I agree.
Many people who would want to see Tsubasa and can't download it would miss out
if it was never licensed. I just hope they wait until it's complete.
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Why shouldn't Tsubasa ever be licensed? ...
Well even though you make a great point about the distribution in north america...i am just wondering about the translation. will it be wrecked or not? will they have references in the end of the show with a picture of mokona explaining the japanese references? or would they just leave the word in japanese as is without definitions and stuff...
hmm...what's the english for okonomiyaki? :D
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If it was dubbed and came out on DVD, I'd only listen to it in Japanese with subtitles and forget that the dub audio even exists. I always try to watch anime in it's original, wonderful Japanese form. The seiyuu do too good a job. ^_^
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what is up with the kuro-fai yaoi? o_o i don't get it :heh:
Um, it's fun...?
If it was dubbed and came out on DVD, I'd only listen to it in Japanese with subtitles and forget that the dub audio even exists. I always try to watch anime in it's original, wonderful Japanese form. The seiyuu do too good a job. ^_^
Agreed! But don't you hate it when the dubbed track is on default and you play the DVD without thinking to switch the language and your show comes on with everyone using their horrible English voices? XD LOL, I hate it when that happens! But yeah, I do the same thing as you. Just ignore the dubbed track... I had my Tokyo Babylon DVD for over a year before I listened to the English track, then I hated myself for listening. ((Although the TB DVDs have an annoying insert song that plays whether you use the Eng. or Japanese track, and I heard it wasn't on the actual Japanese DVDs!! I couldn't believe it! I heard that horrid song for nothing?!))
Why shouldn't Tsubasa ever be licensed? The manga has already been released in English so what would be the point in keeping the anime unlicensed? To say that the anime should never be licensed is very selfish. Granted I download a lot of licensed anime myself, so I'm in no position to talk, but I do respect the companies that license anime and bring it to the U.S. for people to see because some people can't see anime other than through buying the DVDs.
Hrrrm, although I agree that Tsubasa should be licensed for fans who can't download, you really didn't need to imply that totosquirt is being selfish... *sweatdrop* I just don't think he took that into consideration (fans who can't download), he just meant he didn't want it to be licensed so he doesn't hear the English voices, he wasn't being selfish at all... And how can you say you respect the companies that bring anime to the US when you download licensed anime? Which I believe is illegal... -_-
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What I mean by respecting the companies is let's say ADV licenses an anime. When most anime companies license an anime, they usually don't care if you continue to download their licensed series or not. I mean, they probably do care but obiviously not enough to make a big deal about it because you still see them up for download all over the place. However, ADV is very strict about downloading their licensed anime and won't let people get away with ripping their DVDs and putting them up for download anymore. Once ADV licenses an anime it becomes harder to find that series for download, so some fans complain about companies licensing anime and use the excuse that all dubs are going to be bad because they wanted to get it for free. So, even though I'll still download licensed anime, if a company like ADV makes a decision like that, I'm not going to complain about it because I understand that what I'm doing is illegal. I just do it, anyway. ^^;; And for the record, downloading fansubs is illegal, too. It's just more ethetical for anime fans to download them because they haven't been licensed yet and so nobody really cares when it's not licensed, but fansubs are still illegal.
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Hmm, you can't exactly claim that they don't make a big deal out of it, you don't know that... It's just like music downloading, nearly all the artists/owners of the music hate it, but the thing is: catching people who download is hard to do. It has NOTHING to do with whether they care. So, I bet that the anime licensers DO care, but like I said, they can't catch anyone because it's a difficult thing to do.
Also, I don't see how what you said defines "respecting a company" at all.. And for the record, in some countries, fansubs ARE legal, and those laws change constantly. (Just like music downloading laws, sometimes it's OK, sometimes it's not, and in my country, it's LEGAL.) Also, most people who download the fansubs say they are willing to buy the series if it is licensed. I am not going to say that all people who say that act out on it, but I, for one, do. I always buy everything that I download as soon as I can, and delete the downloads. (It clears hard drive space, as well. ^_^)
We're getting off-topic. Time to discuss dubbing: I actually just thought of a series I like that had a pretty good dub, has anyone here seen "Mahou Tsukai Tai!"? Then again, even if the dubbers picked good voices, like we've been saying, I bet the dialogue still wouldn't have the same effect in English... Although they did well in both of those aspects with Mahou Tsukai Tai..
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If Tsubasa does get dubbed, I'm hoping they'll use the Bang Zoom cast from the dub of the second CCS movie again. I really liked those VAs a lot and would love to hear more of them. About the honorifics, maybe they would leave them in the dub and include like a little pamphlet with the DVDs that explains them. Didn't the Strawberry Eggs dub leave the honorifics in it? I seem to remember reading that they did but I never saw it, so I wouldn't really know. I don't understand why they keep the honorfics in English versions of manga but don't for the official subbed versions of anime DVDs. Most people who watch anime also probably read manga, so they'll find out about the honorifics sooner or later and most of the people who will watch Tsubasa will be CCS fans who probably already know about the honorifics by now, anyway. I could understand why they wouldn't include honorifics in anime DVDs back when manga wasn't very popular, but now manga is more popular and more manga companies are starting to keep the honorifics, so why can't anime DVDs do the same?
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But I don't think Nelvana even dubs anime anymore and I think the only anime company out there who still edits their dubs is 4Kids, who I don't think is interested in dubbing Tsubasa or any Clamp series.
Correction, 4kids, doesn't dub, they just make stuff up.
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Nelvana... *shudder*
Okay. I don't care HOW it gets to the US, or Canada, or wherever we the fans are, I just want it to get there on DVD. I would feel much better off having episodes that can't just disappear with a simple computer virus. Besides, I'd just watch it raw, with subtitles.
If it gets dubbed by 4kids, which is the only bad way Tsubasa can get here, I say we form a big angry mob, and storm their impenatrable fortress!! With torches and pitchforks!! :violent5: :evil4:
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hmm the only 4kids thing that i can actually kind of understand see a bit of good job was pokemon...and...well i haven't seen the japanese translations, but its a kids show so they don't have to sensor and cut out everything...except that scene with jame's boob getting bigger...well anyways...
what if licensors are reading this? o_o like they are leaving it to the tsubasa fans to figure out whether its a good idea to fansub or not
.....well basically if they do a very good job in dubbing it to english, and at the same time don't cut out anything and leaving all the words as they are (and no script modification!!!!) i would support english dubbing...well its just weird to hear people saying japanese stuff in english...well actually its just the honorifics that i find weird in english XDD but that's okay if it turns to english
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Oh no!!!I disagree if Tsubasa dubbed again by Nelbaka again :angry: if it's in English!!! :cry:
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If Nelvana took on Tsubasa I would throw myself out a window.
But I highly doubt they would.
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If Nelvana took on Tsubasa I would throw myself out a window.
But I highly doubt they would.
Erk!!!If that destined,it can't helped it and I hope they don't!!! :hehe:
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If they do, I am so gonna march to their office and blow it to smithereens! They wouldn't, they couldn't and they shouldn't!
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Personally, I really hope SOMEBODY licenses (is that spelled right?) Tsubasa cause I REALLY would like to see it on DVD in America. I actually would also like to see it dubbed seeing as I love watching anime dub and sub, although I wonder how the heck they're gonna do that with Fai's super funny nicknames.
I REALLY hope Nevana doesn't dub tsubasa considering what they did to CCS (grr, I hate them almost as much as 4Kids) I really really hope ADV, VIZ, FUNimation, or SOMEONE along those lines are the ones to license Tsubasa.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! no no no! :nono:
if they did i would cry! :cry:
you never know, fai might not say hyuu! just thinking about it ......
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Ugh... Sakura Avalon... Madison Taylor... Julian
*goes off to cry in the corner*
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nahhh that would be awful cause most dubbed they alwayz change somthing to the anime!.......
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Yeah!!I agree w/ that,they change their names and places like they done in CCS.Hell breaks loose if they do it again!!!! :angry:
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Well it won't be Nelvana -thank god. But Funimation.
http://www.capturedwings.net/forums/index.php?topic=1948.0
Some of their work is ok, DBZ was horrible originally, but it is being redone (at least the Saiyan saga so-far)
Here is hoping that we get a good one. barring that will should also get offical subbed dvd's (which is a plus), but I wonder if any subbing group will take it up, consider shinsen-sub is in trouble and DB-LE won't do licensed shows (I think), strange that they site is still up and running but
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FUNimation dose do a good job! (sometimes) :sweatdrop:
*praying that it will be good*
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i hope it is good and it doesn't turn out like mangled anime. they better be good...but how willl they do the music? :o the songs are in japanese (well i mean the ones that oruha sings in the bar) :wave:
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Hmm...
The influence of anime nowadays are different than before.
Problem is, TRC isn't "that big" compared to the anime juggernaut called by the name "Naruto".
And the theme, it may turn off people who aren't familiar of the CLAMP structure.
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In my opinion the only good thing about dubs is that it can get people into Anime. I don't think I would have gotten into Anime or discovered CCS or TRC if I never seen the dub version of Sailor Moon, Pokemon and many other Anime's. Sure I don't like dub's because of the voice acting, editting, names changes etc... but it show an advantage of how it can get more people into Anime. So let's hope that if theres a dub Tsubasa... it will get more people into Anime ^_^
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Okay... it happened. So, do we expect air time for tsubasa on cartoon network, perhaps? Adult Swim? I think this would be a good thing, because it would most likely play right before or after inuyasha, thus hooking the otaku at my school!! And then they won't go "wtf" when I say "hyuu"!! ^^ I'm actually semi-pleased that the dub is coming, now that I think about it, even though it's the beginning of the end for us old fans. Now it's going to be mainstream. :(
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umm...don't expect that you will get a DIRECT translation with a lot of companies to turn japanese to english...they could take out the "hyuu" that fay does :o....or not...well you will never know.
i just hope people can fansub again because for some technicality some copyright condition doesn't touch the other seasons or the tsubasa movie *hopes*
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I doubt it.
Normally they get the rights of all the possible seasons to be made.
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*lol* i cannot imagine if Tsubasa was dubbed.. there isnt any form of guarantee that the person who dubbed the particular character will be able to captured the correct mood and feeling at that particular scene..
although dubbing will be great (if its done perfectly) for people who do not understand Japanese..
personally, i will watch a couple of dubbed episodes and decide if i will continue to watch it or watch the original ones..
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Okay... it happened. So, do we expect air time for tsubasa on cartoon network, perhaps? Adult Swim? I think this would be a good thing, because it would most likely play right before or after inuyasha, thus hooking the otaku at my school!! And then they won't go "wtf" when I say "hyuu"!! ^^ I'm actually semi-pleased that the dub is coming, now that I think about it, even though it's the beginning of the end for us old fans. Now it's going to be mainstream. :(
We don't really know yet if Tsubasa is going to be dubbed. Funi has only announced that it's been licensed; they haven't said anything about a dub yet. It's still very possible that they could release Tsubasa sub-only, but I doubt that Tsubasa would be aired on Adult Swim if it does get dubbed. The show feautres characters from other Clamp series and unless the anime fans who watch Adult Swim are major Clamp fans, they probably wouldn't care about Tsubasa that much. Also, even though Tsubasa is a shounen anime, it isn't action-packed enough to fit in Adult Swim along with all the other action and mecha anime shows they typically air. But Funi does have their own anime network now, but I think it's one of those digital cable on demand networks, like ADV's anime network. It's very possible that Funi could air Tsubasa on their own anime network. Then again, it seemed at first pretty unlikely that Funi would be the ones to license Tsubasa, but they did so I guess anything could happen at this point. I have a question. Why is there a poll asking if you read XXXholic as well as Tsubasa at the top of this thread?
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We don't really know yet if Tsubasa is going to be dubbed. Funi has only announced that it's been licensed; they haven't said anything about a dub yet. It's still very possible that they could release Tsubasa sub-only, but I doubt that Tsubasa would be aired on Adult Swim if it does get dubbed. The show feautres characters from other Clamp series and unless the anime fans who watch Adult Swim are major Clamp fans, they probably wouldn't care about Tsubasa that much. Also, even though Tsubasa is a shounen anime, it isn't action-packed enough to fit in Adult Swim along with all the other action and mecha anime shows they typically air. But Funi does have their own anime network now, but I think it's one of those digital cable on demand networks, like ADV's anime network. It's very possible that Funi could air Tsubasa on their own anime network. Then again, it seemed at first pretty unlikely that Funi would be the ones to license Tsubasa, but they did so I guess anything could happen at this point. I have a question. Why is there a poll asking if you read XXXholic as well as Tsubasa at the top of this thread?
Yup!I agree with that 'cause I think Tsubasa got action but not too much.If you asked me,when it launched in my country by the time it will not handled by CN(AdultSwim)Phil.,it will in local TV station!!! :okay:
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It'll be great if the guys at Animax would dubbed TRC, they did a great job dubbing CCS.
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Thank god that nelvana didn't take Tsubasa! I mean what was CLAMP thinking when they handed CCS to them??? :angry: Anyway, I'm really scared about TRC getting licensed cause the only way that I get my hands on animes are on the internet :cry:... I do respect the people who license anime and I would buy the DVD's... the problem for me is where..I'm not allowed to buy off the internet for security purposes... wah!!! :cry: :angry: :cry:
Besides I really doubt that they are going to keep Fai-san's cute pet names and the honorifics since it would really sound very weird in English :sweatdrop:..Hopefully they'll release it in DVD sub... I just hope that someone would keep on fansubbing (yes, I know that they are illegal once licensed) cause DB-LE had already stopped hosting the bittorrents :(... WAH! and season two is just 4 months away from airing not to mention that the movie will be available next month in DVD...where and how in the world am I going to watch it??? :cry:
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They're older in this version. I hope they don't change the names though. I am interested in seeing the dubbed version of it. Not all dubs are bad.
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I'm not saying that dub's are bad but it's just that most of the animes I've seen that was dubbed was a total disaster... I guess I'm just unlucky when it comes to dubbed version of animes....
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Personally, I like alot of dubs. The only dubs I really really despise are the dubs 4Kids does, the Sailor Moon dub, and the one Nelvana did to CCS.
As long as those companies DON'T get their hands on Tsubasa, licensing and dubbing is fine with me.
I know alot of you are arguing about what's going to happen to Fai's nicknames for Kurogane, or Sakura and calling Syaoran "Syaoran-kun" But, I'm not too worried about that. A similar thing happened in CLAMP's Angelic Layer where Tamayo told Misaki to call Kotarou "Kotarou-chan" instead of "Kotarou-kun" and the Angelic Layer dub kept that in, even though they did't keep in the Honorifics 24/7
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i'd say that it will be 100 times worst...like what they've done to CCS. the dubbing for CCS was sooooo horrible and I had to watch it coz CCS isn't available here (only the CC version) :(
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Well that's because Nelvana (and again I'm saying this: WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS CLAMP THINKING HANDING CCS TO THEM?!?!?!) was the one who did it... I think and hopefully, FUNimation will do a lot better than them.....
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actually, FUNimation didn't do that bad of a job when they dubbed Pokemon...it was them who dubbed Pokemon right? well, if it was them, than i guess it's alright. but they handed TRC to nelvana --> ARGHHHH!!!!
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I wouldn't mind seeing Daisuke Niwa's dub as Syaoran, personally. It was Miyu-kun who did Daisuke's dub, so it would be fairly consistent. Or perhaps Sora's dub from KH? Hmm... I hope that whoever they choose is better than Ed's english dub in FMA... Oye. :dodge:
But it IS Funimation, after all. so.... T_T
I think I'm getting the dvds off of ebay.
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actually, FUNimation didn't do that bad of a job when they dubbed Pokemon...it was them who dubbed Pokemon right? well, if it was them, than i guess it's alright. but they handed TRC to nelvana --> ARGHHHH!!!!
Pokemon was dubbed by 4Kids. I haven't seen many of Funi's dubs, but I thought their dub of Yu Yu Hakusho was excellent and it's one of the few series I think is better dubbed than subbed. Though I haven't seen it yet, I've heard that their dub of Fruits Basket was very good. Even if the dub VAs aren't that great, Funimation will be including the Japanese version, so there's nothing to be worried about.
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ahhh thanks for that. i get confused with who does what... =P
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Looking at their Hagane no Renkin Jutsushi (FMA), Detective Conan, Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakashu dubs, I think FUNimation will do a pretty good job with Tsubasa. o_O
And they'll include the Japanese version in the DVDs, so we won't have to pirate off the internet. :hmp:Â But if they DO do a bad job on it, I'll hate them for life.
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They also did a good job on Fruits Basket and Fullmetal alchemist, so I currently like FUNimation...
But if they kill Tsubasa......... grr...
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i reall hope they don't ruin the mood in Tsubasa if they dub it. I re watched CCS since i got into Tsubasa and as i finished watchin it i put in a cardcaptors DVD a mate brought me for xmas as a jokey pressie, i was appalled at the voices and the changes i read about on another website. i was just mutterin through about 10 mins of it til i decided it was going OFF! lol :) oh well
*fingers crossed at good dub*
I'm not a fan of dubs at all, but i know Fruits Basket was a halfway decent dub from the bits of it i switched it too. tis funny i can't seem to watch a whole series in english where theres a japanease sub bit available :) hehe