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Misc => Archives => Anime & Manga => Topic started by: Sakaki on July 06 2005, 03:01 pm
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I noticed on the "how did you discover TRC" thread that people wanted to talk about what other *non-manga reading/non-anime watching people* would think or say to them about their Manga and Anime.
Some I've heard so far:
They think anime/manga is for children and don't realize it's not treated that way in Japan.
Think anime is cartoons.
Don't take it as a valid art form when it's been around for decades.
Some people think it's weird that in Japan people aren't surprised by same gender couples.
They don't realize that anime/manga isn't anything like American cartoons.
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Hehe, my dad is like that.
I've gave up long ago trying to convince him, I don't care anymore
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i often get "if you watch anime you MUST like Hentai since all Anime is Hentai" plus they all think its geeky, childish and pointless.
so yay i'm labeled as a perverted, geeky, childish, stupid time waster.
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Isn't that funny that some people think it's childish cartoons and then others think it's all adult X rated?!
They just don't get it at all.
It's animation, but it's not cartoons.
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i often get "if you watch anime you MUST like Hentai since all Anime is Hentai" plus they all think its geeky, childish and pointless.
so yay i'm labeled as a perverted, geeky, childish, stupid time waster.
Well....all those labels are at least partially true for me. ^^;
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didn't need to know that...
but if they don't know...too bad they're missing out
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Heh, just pointing out that every stereotype is built off a kernel of truth. And it's not like I went into great detail or anything.
>_>;;
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Most people around me think that all anime is either like Pokemon or DBZ. Or they start telling me that it's all for kids, so I try to explain to them that not all anime is for kids, so then they start acusing me for watching porn. I don't understand why some people can't grasp the concept that something can not be for kids and not be porn at the same time. ><
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their minds are too small. its like because they watch real life shows we don't go accuse them of watching real life porn, or something like hi-5 (a childrens program)
Well....all those labels are at least partially true for me. ^^;
lol, yea i guess most people are like that, me included.
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I have this pycho friend who over analyses all the series, and says how it's just for pervy men over 50 who still live at home with their mother (?!)
She says....
Long hair is a symbol of...blah blah
Short hair is a symbol of...blah blah
And stuff like that.
She just goes out of her way to overanalyse it and make it something that it's not. I mean, how can CCS be porn?!
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-- Reading manga will make you stop read books
-- Manga doesn't use imagination
-- All the characters have big eyes and no personality.
-- Pictures in manga style are not "art".
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***Well....all those labels are at least partially true for me. ^^;***
Lol, well me too.
Probably apply to most every interesting person.
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I tell people I watch anime.. and they go 'you still watch cartoons?' i don't get flagged as a perv though, just childish. ^_^
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***Reading manga will make you stop read books
-- Manga doesn't use imagination
-- All the characters have big eyes and no personality.
-- Pictures in manga style are not "art"***
Oooh, those really make me mad!
Obviously they've never picked up something by Clamp.
And if you only read manga, you are still reading.
I spent years and years reading novels.
Manga rivals any of the best selling authors here.
Can they even guess how hard it is to cram such in depth plots and storylines
into manga pages, that also have art to go with them?!
Some of the best art I've ever seen is in Manga.
Who can seriously look at Cardcaptor Sakura and say that's not art?
Who can actually understand the plot of Tsubasa and say that it's not imaginative?
Okay, my little rant is done now. :keke:
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My dad used to think it was 'bad', until I begged him to get the CCS series and even said he could watch it first. That changed his mind.
Personally I normally dont care what people think, until they start going too far, like pervertedness and other related subjects. I just get soo mad but eventually I would get the phrase through my head, I am what I am and no one can change that...
Eventually meaning 3 weeks later after yelling and screaming at those people... Heheh! :sweatdrop:
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-- Reading manga will make you stop read books
If manga makes you stop reading books, doesn't that tell those people that there's something about manga that makes it better than normal books? But that's not true. I like reading manga but I still like reading books, even though most of them out there are kind of boring.
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*lol* i agree with Sakaki...
yeah, my family thinks that anime is cartoon.. perhaps they just saw some moving graphics etc.. so they think it is cartoon.. but basically, they wont bother me much as long as i pay for them (anime/manga) myself..
and i remembered once that my grandma saw me watching CCS and said... "why are you still watching cartoon"... i went (O_o)!
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my parents grew up being taught that manga was "bad" so if you read manga, you were a bad kid -_- at least that is what my dad told me...
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Isn't that funny that some people think it's childish cartoons and then others think it's all adult X rated?!
They just don't get it at all.
It's animation, but it's not cartoons.
that can just prove its the way THEY think, isnt it?
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I apparently could care LESS of what others think anime/manga is to them. especially if they havent seen or read it. All they do is judge from first glance or just take a look at just ONE and they give their immediate opinion of, "It's gay." I might as well be listening to political people argue on TV about what's what and what's who's
In my opinion, anime and manga is just the form of people's creativity in Japan and portrayal on reality of all sorts of genres or based on what they see and think.
okay, im done babbling. lol
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"Its a cartoon and a waste of your time, or stifles your intelligence"
"All anime promotes violence/sex/witchcraft/*insert evil vice here*"
Among other things I've heard... -_-;
One thing that annoys me most is people lumping all anime into the same genre. "All anime is kiddie stuff/hentai/giant robots/etc." When anime is really an art form in itself and contains just as many genres as Hollywood movies, if not more - drama, romantic comedy, action, fantasy, historical... It's hard to get some people to understand this.
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One thing that annoys me most is people lumping all anime into the same genre. "All anime is kiddie stuff/hentai/giant robots/etc."
Heh, I wish.
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you know what? I think people just don't understand why others like animes. so they ASSUME many things... like me assuming they're idiots who know absolutely nothing of what's good...
well, that's just me. ^^;
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The difference is the culture people are under to.
The impact of cartoons in the US in 1930-1980 has a big imapct in terms of preference.
In Japan however, anime in general caters to all ages, each has it's own in an age group (that's the reason Hentai Anime genre is made in the first place, I tell people that fact and they stop)
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really? well, the different cultures i can understand but ppl usually just say how ridiculous it is regardless of that fact unless thats just my ego again... oh dear. o.o"
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The real problem is the fact that people mistake dubs for the real thing. Its not the same. Dubs may seem childish, may sound like the chracters have no personality, and yes, all the editing might make the plot suck, but its a completely different case for the originals.
I had a friend, who only watched Pokemon, and after watching a few episodes, she said it wasn't all that, and anime isn't such a big deal. I laughed at her. She didn't know what she was talking about. I mean, sure, Pokemon isn't the best anime in the world, but the original is pretty good, and making such assumptions, about all anime is downright ignorant. Pokemon was such a big thing in North America and Europe because it had 'money' all over it. With the cards, and the merchandise, of course american's are going to love it.
Not all anime is like that. And I can't stand it when poeple think DBZ and Pokemon is the only anime around. No offense, but animes like that,. which take forever to end, aren't the best anime. I was fan myself, but I lost interest fast. Either way, people making judgements like these, because they dont understand.
My mom's friends think I'm odd, because I watch cartoons. Trust me, I never had this much fun with cartoons, like Bugs Bunny.
You know the comment about people labeling anime? In this dictionary, it said that anime is cartoons made in japan, which are excessive in areas of sex, bad language and viloence. I'm serious! I laughed out loud! Sure, there is hentai, but they dont have it in all anime! *groans*
Anime is animation that talks about real life problems, have amazing plotlines and beatiful pictures. Anime is an art. That's why the industry is very big. So dont go comparing anime with the everyday cartoon -_-
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fisah - A big example of that? Yu-Gi-Oh.
The term "Heart of the Cards" didn't exist in the non-dubbed anime.
I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't release the manga. (really good but pretty violent)
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"huh? u watch anime? isnt that hentai?"...
i laughed!
or
"so big already... still watch cartoons"
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i would NEVER EVER compare something like western cartoons with Anime. NEVER!!!! that is (to me) a DOWNRIGHT INSULT. as i am a dedicated anime fan, i have been for a long time, probably before i should've even understood it but i started watching it. and you know what i started anime off with? Neon Genesis Evangelion, one of the gorey but one of teh absolutely best animes made into production back then. and i saw this when i was 7-8 years old.
to top off my being angry (not that serious but a saying) at those who dont truly understand what anime is, when Americans make teh dubbed versions, they completely ruin the original meaning, and I've seen what people have said about Cardcaptor Sakura in dubbed form. They claim that it was heavily editted from teh original and cut out teh parts that actually made it worth watching.
It's the same for any other anime series that have been dubbed.
Like my first anime, Evangelion. When i got the chance to see the english version, i was utterly infuriated because of the voice actors. And ADV films interviewed the main character asking for their opinion of who they played as. And do you know what they say? "Absolutely stupid." I practically wanted to scream but then again, i didnt want to make a big deal out of it.
but that's what gets me really upset. People just dont see animes are quite different from cartoons. You just cant compare them.
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The problem is, they will and they will for a long time.
It will take decades to remove the "cartoon stigma" of anime in the US.
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if you link western cartoons to animes.. its like animes which are dubbed from japanese to english or any other language.. and there will be bits and pieces removes from the original anime plus very weird and funny names..
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some things shall never change. maybe this is a fact for anime. its sad... ive neglected watching something like the channel 11 morning shows. it really disturbs me to listen to english voice actors trying to be like the japanese ones. The japanese voice actors actually put effort into it. english ones could care less (in my opinion.)
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Angelic-Essence - It is slowly changing now that VA's do better these days. There are ways more to improve but they're getting there.
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if you link western cartoons to animes.. its like animes which are dubbed from japanese to english or any other language.. and there will be bits and pieces removes from the original anime plus very weird and funny names..
Ugh, I absolutely hate name changes. I saw the dubbed version of Detective Conan, and boy did it make me mad. Not only did they changed the names in the anime, but they did the same to the manga! Viz was going to use the original names but nooo, TMS Entertainment (or whatever they are called) apperantly pushed Viz into using anime names, from what I heard. And then there is the dub voices... urgh. I agree, most of the English dubs don't put any feelings into the voices, like the Japanese ones do.
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Its not the names I mind so much though. But some animes its a big deal. LIke CCS, the names of the Kinomoto family had first names of flowers, and it had that hidden grace, and when it was dubbed, the names changed. But its not the voices or the names that bug me the most though, Its more of the plot. Like GS, the Va's are okay, the names are kept in, and the plot is intact. That is probably the best dub in history! Except the minor editing, in the USA *canada had all the scenes, completely uneditied* the dub is really good. However, something like CC, where the plot was cut up and destroyed, that's when the problems occur. Of all things to change, dont let it be the plot -_-
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Ugh, I absolutely hate name changes. I saw the dubbed version of Detective Conan, and boy did it make me mad. Not only did they changed the names in the anime, but they did the same to the manga! Viz was going to use the original names but nooo, TMS Entertainment (or whatever they are called) apperantly pushed Viz into using anime names, from what I heard. And then there is the dub voices... urgh. I agree, most of the English dubs don't put any feelings into the voices, like the Japanese ones do.
I agree -_-
I was so mad when I saw what they changed their names into. Poor Shinichi...
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Hm... there were two misconceptions about anime. These include:
- Anime is porn
- All anime is Pokemon, Sailor Moon, DBZ, you name it.
One time I was looking up a CCS website, and one of my non-anime friends peeked. She said, "What are you doing??"
Me: Just surfing the net. =/
Friend #1: *to another friend* She must be looking for those Pokemon stuff. Or Digimon, or whatever they are.
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LMAO, so true XD Many occursences like that are alot :lol: Once, some idiot gave me a pokemon poster since I was an "obvious fan", the hell? Yeah, since I like anime it means I like pokemon!
I like Digimon though, good anime :XD:
*ahem*
Narrow-minded fools make me laugh....and question the world :lol:
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*** would NEVER EVER compare something like western cartoons with Anime. NEVER!!!! that is (to me) a DOWNRIGHT INSULT.***
Cookie for you for your wonderful rant!
I couldn't agree more.
I went to Best Buy the other day and the Anime DVD's were by American Cartoons!!
Ugh and gag!
That's an insult to Anime and an insult to the seiyuu that work so hard to do what they do. After watching only Anime and no cartoons for about a year now,
I cannot believe how bad American voice actors are. The voices on American cartoons are so bland with no emotion, with none of the little sounds and expressions you hear in Anime.
There is a huge difference between Anime and cartoons. They are absolutely nothing alike.
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True, cookie for you for your lovely rant as well XD
In anime, everything is taken to account, from the music, to the bgm, eyecatches, characterizations, plot, developement, which it makes it more appealing than cartoons.
I mean, the opening song for cartoons dont even have words sometimes, and if the do, a insturmental version is played for end credits, with not pictures! Theres never eyecatches! The bgm is the same for evrything! The expressions are the same, except its mad, sad, happy. The voices are the same for every expression. From "Hi!" to "What's going on?!" so yeah...cartoons are much different. -_-
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when I stumble across some anime being aired on T.V. I watch until I hear the names. if they have American names I change it. that is the sign of a bad dubbed right there. as for the voice actors it depends on the series some series I like and Japanese voices more and some I like the Engish voices more. I wont boycot a show because of a bad voice over. like Rurouni Kenshin. some of the English voices are nice and well....some of them make me want to shoot the TV. but its still a cool show.
ok sorry about that. well I think that for a lot of people it depends of the first anime/manga they see. like if all you'd ever scene was henti then thats all you'd think there was to it, same thing if you saw pokemon. but I feel sorry for the people like that because they don't know what their missing! (thankfully I wasn't like that, the first anime I ever saw was ranma 1/2 and I was 7!)
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Its not the names I mind so much though. But some animes its a big deal. LIke CCS, the names of the Kinomoto family had first names of flowers, and it had that hidden grace, and when it was dubbed, the names changed. But its not the voices or the names that bug me the most though, Its more of the plot. Like GS, the Va's are okay, the names are kept in, and the plot is intact. That is probably the best dub in history! Except the minor editing, in the USA *canada had all the scenes, completely uneditied* the dub is really good. However, something like CC, where the plot was cut up and destroyed, that's when the problems occur. Of all things to change, dont let it be the plot -_-
Gah, yes, change of plot.... What happened to CCS nearly happened to Conan too, though. FOX was gonna air Conan and when I read what they had planning to do, Case Closed sounded like heaven. They were going to change the names to even stupider ones than in Adult Swim, and get this, cut out all the murder/crime scenes... I guess they realized that pretty much the whole episodes of Conan involdes crimes... that's why it's called Detective Conan, but I guess that fact didn't lighten in their minds at first. They cancelled the show even before airing it.
Honestly, it disappoints me. Why can't they air a show as it is? (as in same plot, same names, original opening songs, and full endings.) I guess to them, that's asking too much?
Oh yeah, have you guys noticed that there is less commerical cut in original anime than dubbed anime? If you watch a subbed version, there is only one comerical break. Whereas if you watch a dub, there is minimum of 3 or 4. But then again, I think the Japanese comericals were longer... I can't remember, it has been years since I watched Japanese TV :sweatdrop:
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Yeah, I totally agree. Its seems odd too, why go through all the trouble to edit something, that doesn't need editing, and just keep everything intact? It would be easier for you, and make the fans happy. All I ever needed from a dub was proper translation of dialouge, and even that can be something of a problem. That's why subs are much better, its by fans for fans, they know what we want since there just like us. Professionals do things that are good for the company, in terms of money. If teh show sucks, thats okay, since the merchandise the sell will be better. *groans* How dumb is that anyway?
Detective Conan is an awesome series, I really like it alot, well over 400 I believe. Could you believe it if they kept it dubbed? 400 episodes worth of dubbing catatstrophe, it would be CC again, only worse, since it will be longer -_- Not the best of thoughts.
Japan has 1-2 commercials in an episode I think. Not to mention even the commericals are cool since there anime related as well! [/otaku] But yeah, there commercials could be longer, or they show comercials after the show ends to make it up to the half hour mark XD
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I saw Case Closed. oh my god... i liked it a lot really, but ive heard of the original format. I think the original was better. lol
You know, when people decide to dub something, they should just do their job of TRANSLATING. not editting it. have they ever really considered what fans would think of such things happening? It also make me imagine petitions going around online...
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Wow... so many of you are being insulted for watching anime/ manga...
I feel lucky to have open minded friends who, at least, likes to watch Cowboy Bebop, Yakitake Japan, and Chobits... Now, if only they can open up to CCS and X...
Again, the concern with censor, censor, censor... People are afraid of exposing children to bad stuff at early age, to they cut out stuff. I understand why they cut out some of the speeches and change them to their liking. For instance, when a character is angry, they usually say this word in which English has no translation for except the word, "d*** it" (Pardon my language, don't kill me for saying it)
Anyway, for the hardcore fans of CLAMP, I wish you all to remember this well...
Yuuko: "the so- called 'habit', it is not something that can be changed for the sake of someone else. It has to be for your own sake... As long as a person thinks something is not important to them, even if you say, 'don't do this' or 'this is bad so don't do this', that person will never listen. What is good... what is bad... it's all up to the person himself to decide."
So... if they think manga and anime is bad, try not to get mad... they just have other stuff they think are more important to them. You could... however, force them to watch CCS with a gun pointed to their heads :confused:... No, seriously, don't do that... I was just kidding... :D
However, I DO get upset about some of the TV stations exploiting anime for commercials in ways I can never imagine... Like WB... They don't mean any harm, but seeing the way yu-gi-oh being treated... I felt embarassed.
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Aaaaah... This takes me back...
Way back when, I was teased a bit for liking Pokemon... But I can't really remember... 'Cause I'm sure I've always had at least one other friend who liked Anime a little bit.
Of course, I wasn't always around these friends all the time... So, in class, the local jerk who always bothered me saw me doodling one time, and made the usual comments about anime... By that time, I think I had either stopped caring and ignored him, or would attempt to retort and fail miserably, as I wasn't exactly good at arguing.
I think at one point, I got the 'All anime characters look exactly the same' comment, and when I said that wasn't true, he said something to the effect about all the facial features looking exactly the same, and only the character's hair made the face different. Or something. I quickly drew a few things to prove him wrong, but, of course, he stopped listening, 'cause he was only bothering me for the sake of bothering me.
However, that did spur me into reviewing my style of drawing, and for that, I'm kinda glad, as now I make especially sure that all my characters look unique.
... Or something like that.
Aaaaaaanyway... I think I also had him also pull the 'anime isn't art' thing on me, but unfortunately, that had been just after I drew a couple of my friends for this project I did, and they, being quite impressed with my skills, defended me, and got him to back down. Or, ah, walk away in frustration.
And, yeah. I don't think I've had people tell me I'm too old for cartoons. For one, I don't care - Animated things rock! And, for two, I have a valid 'execuse' - I wanna be a cartoonist/manga-artist/anime-artist/animator/something to that effect when I grow up, so I have to 'study' techniques and styles and what not. *snrk*
But, yeah. Personally, on the whole Cartoon vs. Anime debate... Some western cartoons aren't that bad, really. In fact, some of them can be a bit more expressive than some Anime, I've found. Or something like that. (Oh, please don't kill me.)
Seriously, cartoons, anime... Can't we all just get along?
*cough*
Yeah... I think I'm wandering a bit from the main topic.
Eh, well.
Anyway, my reactions to people criticizing Anime has changed since then.
Like, for instance, if someone were to come up to me and say 'Pok-ee-mon is gay!',
Before, I'd feverntly (and clumsily) try to defend it, but nowadays, I'd probably just answer with 'Yes, yes it is gay. I mean, *elaborates on random pairings* *wiggles eyebrows*'
Hopefully, that will either a), scare the person off and make me look slightly cooler/creepier/wittier/funnier in the eyes of my current audience, or, uh... Well, yeah. I feel secure enough that I quite frankly care not about what other people think, especially if they're so close-minded. Or if they think 'gay' is an insult.
So... Yeah.
And... Dubs nowadays just tick me off, 'cause it's rare that I find a show that I'm interested in that is also dubbed well... Also, the only channels I have that shows anything resembling anime are Fox and YTV... And... Yeah. I'm out of things to say.
(Bleh, shouldn't type posts when my muscles are this tired. And my brain, too, I guess.)
(... Whoops, this post was a bit bigger than I thought it would be)
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'Yes, yes it is gay. I mean, *elaborates on random pairings* *wiggles eyebrows*'
Hopefully, that will either a), scare the person off and make me look slightly cooler/creepier/wittier/funnier in the eyes of my current audience, or, uh... Well, yeah. I feel secure enough that I quite frankly care not about what other people think, especially if they're so close-minded. Or if they think 'gay' is an insult.
Ha! Love this part.
I like the way you think, Koolsnowball!
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One thing, and I hate to admit this, but I used to think like all of those people. You watch Pokemon, and you are watching anime. And I used to like Pokemon, but not anymore. Here's what my dad tells me about Japanese Anime:
I will get off of work, where he'll pick me up, and I'll say, "Konbanwa," everytime. He'll then tell me, "Why are you talking like that?" and I'll tell him, "Because I like talking Japanese," and then he'll say,
"I'd wish you would grow up already and stop watching that Cardcaptors! You're talking like a kid!"
Now tell me, how is learning a new culture and language acting like a little kid? And what really burns me is how he always calls my beloved Card Captor Sakura Cardcaptors! :angry: That gets me fuming everytime!
I'll then have a rant and tell him, "First off, Otou-san (I always emphasize this) it is not Cardcaptors! It's Card Captor Sakura! And secondly, Otou-san, how is learning another language acting like a child?! How many children do you know are fluent in Japanese?!" He'll give unintelligable mutterings, and be quiet for the rest of the ride home.
That's how I get my point across, and when that doesn't work, I'll start swearing and giving insults in Japanese. Since they don't like anime, chances are, they won't know what the he** I'm talking about, and then they give up and leave me alone! Works everytime!
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One thing, and I hate to admit this, but I used to think like all of those people. You watch Pokemon, and you are watching anime. And I used to like Pokemon, but not anymore. Here's what my dad tells me about Japanese Anime:
I will get off of work, where he'll pick me up, and I'll say, "Konbanwa," everytime. He'll then tell me, "Why are you talking like that?" and I'll tell him, "Because I like talking Japanese," and then he'll say,
"I'd wish you would grow up already and stop watching that Cardcaptors! You're talking like a kid!"
Now tell me, how is learning a new culture and language acting like a little kid? And what really burns me is how he always calls my beloved Card Captor Sakura Cardcaptors! :angry: That gets me fuming everytime!
I'll then have a rant and tell him, "First off, Otou-san (I always emphasize this) it is not Cardcaptors! It's Card Captor Sakura! And secondly, Otou-san, how is learning another language acting like a child?! How many children do you know are fluent in Japanese?!" He'll give unintelligable mutterings, and be quiet for the rest of the ride home.
That's how I get my point across, and when that doesn't work, I'll start swearing and giving insults in Japanese. Since they don't like anime, chances are, they won't know what the he** I'm talking about, and then they give up and leave me alone! Works everytime!
but... speaking japanese is kinda childish... especially when your not technically learning it, like it would be better if you could of said all that you said to him IN JAPANESE.
and calling Card Captor Sakura, Cardcaptors is fine, its just a shortened easier way of finding it, your just finding things to fight with him about.
and uh.. Pokémon is an Animé... when did it not become one?
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The changing of OP/ED songs are for licensing reason AKA money to pay the artists. Some costs more.
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The changing of OP/ED songs are for licensing reason AKA money to pay the artists. Some costs more.
i thought that was kinda obvious?
i knew that through watching Dawson's Creek, lol, they had tp change the opening theme becauseit cost too much money to use the original one.
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VexNet - Well, lots don't know that fact. I have to repeat it again and again in other forums.
That's why I'm not surprised if the songs are changed.
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I just hate how all the american versions are censored !!! they always take away the best part of everything, why just leave as the way it is, great?
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"I'd wish you would grow up already and stop watching that Cardcaptors! You're talking like a kid!
My mother also hopes that i grow up already and stop watching these childish things...
but i really don't care about it,
i think it is difficult to just stop it, it ins't just a simple hobby you can forget...
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I think all the parents in the world say "grow up", but when i'm trying to watch a movie they make me change 'cause it has "sex scenes" (-"mom, they r just kissing!!!!"), and it's a circle which drives me crazy!!!